Re: A Somewhat Troubling Factoid...........
posted at 12/16/2013 3:26 PM EST
In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:
In response to solareclipse's comment:
Yes, agreed on the lack of more than anecdotal "evidence".
Every Sox fan that I have known over the last 7 years puts Big Papi on the Mount Rushmore of Sox legends
'I'm sure you know that how fans rank a palyer isn't the same thing as popularity with fans. Rice is on "Mount rushmore", but he wasn't more poplar than Fred Lynn, period;)
How many times have you heard "he's my favorite player", and it's not the best player on the team. Many, many times.
Popularity is based on human emotion, which is present in all persons. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir;)
Ironically, the drone from Ellsbury doters was always "game changer". Ortiz was "clutch".
Switching gears, Space, you couldn't make a better script for the emotional wake from Ellsbury jilting his many Red Sox "my favorite player" fans. I saw it coming many years ago, but wasn't certain it would be the Yankees.
It's going to be fun pulling against Ellsbury, isn't it folks, something his defenders like to say that his few detractors were doing when he was with the Red Sox;)
Comparing Ortiz/ Ellsbury to Rice/Lynn is interesting, but only from a distance. Certainly, in the mid to late 70s in Boston, an element of racism may have come into the more favored Gold Dust twin. But, beyond this, and maybe the fact that both Lynn and Ellsbury played CF and could run, it goes nowhere.
Just so we undertand where I am coming from, Jim Rice was my favorite alltime red stocking until he was supplanted by David Ortiz.
But Jim Rice was brooding and stand-offish. Chose not to engage with the media. He was an enigma to fans. Ortiz is the polar opposite. There is no reasonable comparison of Rice and Ortiz in popularity, other than most people let their awesome respective bats speak for themselves.
Really, as you point out, without empirical evidence, it is impossible to compare fan favorite status. But, it is seriously prepostorous to believe that Papi, even before this magical year, was anthing but an all-time fan favorite. The only time I ever heard negativity towards the big fella was when idiots on this board and in the media were calling on him to hang em up in 2009 and 2010 when he was still knocking 30 HRS/close to 100 RBIs (but hadnt yet gone to Degobah to master the Jedi Skills of inside out, compact swings/ using what picthers are giving taught by Yoda Gonzalez), and all last year from your boy Bill.
He is ingore Ellsbury is Native American, and Lynn is white. Which really defeats his comparison base around race.