Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!

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    Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!

    We got the PTBNL for Shoppach, the remarkable Pedro Beato. An injured relief pitcher with an ERA well over 4 in AAA.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/08/red-sox-acquire-beato-to-complete-shoppach-deal.html

    And the hits just keep on coming! Does this guy honestly have a clue about player value?
     
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    Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!

    What did you expect to get for a career .226 hitter with marginal defensive skills who apparently is a rhymes-with-swoosh in the clubhouse?
     
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    Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!

    In Response to Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!:
    [QUOTE]We got the PTBNL for Shoppach, the remarkable Pedro Beato. An injured relief pitcher with an ERA well over 4 in AAA. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/08/red-sox-acquire-beato-to-complete-shoppach-deal.html And the hits just keep on coming! Does this guy honestly have a clue about player value?
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    Who were you expecting to get?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy! : Who were you expecting to get?
    Posted by ThefourBs[/QUOTE]

    He was probably thinking David Wrght to replace WMB while he's out. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!:
    [QUOTE]What did you expect to get for a career .226 hitter with marginal defensive skills who apparently is a rhymes-with-swoosh in the clubhouse?
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]


    OH NO!!! ALI is a true fan and is not a quitter; in fact he is digusted by the un-fans talk of quitting for the year. Shame on you Lloyd to ask such a negative question!
     
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    In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy! : OH NO!!! ALI is a true fan and is not a quitter; in fact he is digusted by the un-fans talk of quitting for the year. Shame on you Lloyd to ask such a negative question!
    Posted by EnchiladaT[/QUOTE]
    Heck, I thought it was a positive question!
     
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    In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy! : Heck, I thought it was a positive question!
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]


    LOL!  Just getting the goat. Ali went on a pedestal the other day as a positive true fan.
     
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    Was the timing of the Kelly Shoppach trade and the report from Jeff Passan of Yahoo! just a coincidence?

    Perhaps the Red Sox wanted to get rid of Shoppach at any cost.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/shoppke01.shtml#trans

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bobby-valentine-red-sox-mutiny-text-dustin-pedroia-larry-lucchino-john-henry-adrian-gonzalez-.html

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from EnchiladaT. Show EnchiladaT's posts

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    BTW I suggested the Sox trade Elles for Miguel Montero last winter... and yes it would have made great sense.
     
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    In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy! : LOL!  Just getting the goat. Ali went on a pedestal the other day as a positive true fan.
    Posted by EnchiladaT[/QUOTE]

    We sometimes call them "pikers".
     
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    In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!:
    [QUOTE]Was the timing of the Kelly Shoppach trade and the report from Jeff Passan of Yahoo! just a coincidence? Perhaps the Red Sox wanted to get rid of Shoppach at any cost. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/shoppke01.shtml#trans http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bobby-valentine-red-sox-mutiny-text-dustin-pedroia-larry-lucchino-john-henry-adrian-gonzalez-.html
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]


    Come on hill ....as if Shoppach like Scutaro before him was the bad apple. Good gosh stat boy try and place a bit of reality in your posts.
     
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    A salary dump is a salary dump.  Hopefully they are working on some big salary dumps.
     
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    Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!

    They traded away a guy who is in his prime and at best a backup catcher.

    They received a pitcher who is 25 years old and is a former 1st round draft pick.

    This is a move to get younger and add something for the future that may turn out. However, there is a risk factor. I'm sure Ben knows this.

    Getting younger players ( especially pitchers) should be a priority.

    I applaud this move, it does nothing to help us out right now. But, Shoppach was only a spare part on this team , easily expendable. Getting anything at all for him is a positive.

    Beato may not pan out, but you can't judge him until he's been given a chance. 

    Let's face it Beckett was supposed to be a world beater, we only got one good year out of him. The price was much higher. Gagne ended up costing us a useful outfielder ( Murphy) , but seriously , how much value can you place on Shoppach? Good Backup catchers are a dime a dozen and can be had almost at will.
     
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    In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy! : Come on hill  ....as if Shoppach like Scutaro before him was the bad apple. Good gosh stat boy try and place a bit of reality in your posts.
    Posted by EnchiladaT[/QUOTE]
    I have no idea what your point is.

    My point was that someone apparently fed information (and/or misinformation) to Jeff Passan of Yahoo!. The reported team meeting was nearly a month old when Passan filed his story the day Kelly Shoppach was traded. Perhaps it was only a coincidence ... or not.
     
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    Tying in Shpps trade with an article about the mayhem on the team..... ??? You don't get what I mean? You are suggesting he was moved because of the turmoil? Or not?  
     
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    [QUOTE]Tying in Shpps trade with an article about the mayhem on the team..... ??? You don't get what I mean? You are suggesting he was moved because of the turmoil? Or not?  
    Posted by EnchiladaT[/QUOTE]
    Red Sox management reportedly is concerned about leaks to the media. The Sox traded Kelly Shoppach the day Jeff Passan filed his report. The timing raises questions and I have no definitive answers.
     
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    Its simple They placed him on waivers. The Mets claimed him. They had a short time to work out a trade or the Sox could have pulled him back. Obviously there was something or someone (Beato) who made more sense to the Sox as opposed to finishing the payments of Shoppach's contract. A lot of times these trades are precursors to other dealings with a team as well. A "show of good faith" in one deal could yield better results in future deals. 

    Does anyone know Beato's salary? Is it comparable to Shoppach's? If so, then its all a wash. They wanted to giver Lavarnway some big league time and why keep 3 catchers on the roster?
     
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    How is it nobody ever mentions Theo trading future NL batting champ Freddy Sanchez for Jeff Supan?
    Sanchez hit .344 to win it at Pittsburgh, and is a .297 lifetime hitter. Solid defender, and 3 time All Star.
    Had to be one of the most lopsided trades ever.
     
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    Really, moving Shoppach a blunder? This is getting absurd.  They couldn't continue to carry three catchers.  They made the judgement that it was time to get Lavarnway some run.  And, Salty's erratic bat and suspect defense aside, Kelly Shoppach was totally, utterly expendable, overly expensive for his production, and a total entitled jaggoff to boot.  If you think that getting value out of Beato had anything to do with the move, you are missing the point.
     
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    Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!

    Does anyone know Beato's salary? Is it comparable to Shoppach's? If so, then its all a wash. They wanted to giver Lavarnway some big league time and why keep 3 catchers on the roster?

    Shoppach: $1.35M (maybe about $250K at time of trade)
    P. Beato:   $487K (maybe about $90K at the time of trade)

    We traded our back-up catcher who had about 6 weeks left under team control. Everyone knew we wanted to give Lava playing time. I'm sure Ben did the best he could. I hope we see more waiver deals soon.
     
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    Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!

    In Response to Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!:
    [QUOTE]Does anyone know Beato's salary? Is it comparable to Shoppach's? If so, then its all a wash. They wanted to giver Lavarnway some big league time and why keep 3 catchers on the roster? Shoppach: $1.35M (maybe about $250K at time of trade) P. Beato:   $487K (maybe about $90K at the time of trade) We traded our back-up catcher who had about 6 weeks left under team control. Everyone knew we wanted to give Lava playing time. I'm sure Ben did the best he could. I hope we see more waiver deals soon.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.  We got Beato for 6 weeks of Shoppach.  What's to complain about?
     
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    [QUOTE]What did you expect to get for a career .226 hitter with marginal defensive skills who apparently is a rhymes-with-swoosh in the clubhouse?
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]

    he's better than average behind the plate. even the redsox were 10 over .500 with him starting.
     
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    Re: Another stellar trade by the Blunder Boy!

    The pro's and con's of the trade are subjective, my question is why they didn't move Shoppach before the trade deadline, certainly he was of more value to a contender at that time.

    There were a few teams interested in catching backup. Maybe this trade will be a good one, on the surface the timing looks like BC is a little slow on the trigger.
     

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