As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

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    As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    With the bullpen very deep, especially if Bard can bounce back, it seems like Andrew Bailey is the odd man out.  They've already named Hanrahan the closer, and their are several guys who can be the so-called "set-up guy".  (Tazawa, Bard, Aceves, Breslow, Uehara, De La Rosa, Wilson).  Bailey has only been a closer, and their must be teams that he would be an upgrade over what they already have.  (The Tigers, Angels, Mariners & Marlins immediately come to mind) He is still under team control.  So what could we expect him to bring in a trade? 

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    i think he is more valuable to our staff. JH has a few question marks and our BP is better with bailey in it than out of it. Also after his lost 2012 his stock has to be pretty low.. So i think he is more of an asset to us on the team than the return we would get by moving him.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    What chatter about trading Bailey? If the Sox move a relief pitcher it will probably be a lefty.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to carnie's comment:

    What chatter about trading Bailey? If the Sox move a relief pitcher it will probably be a lefty.



    I know I read it today from Chad Finn.  I'm pretty sure one of the Globe guys (Abraham or Cafardo) has said recently that its a possibility.  Ian Browne from MLB.com alluded to it last week.  Morales and Bailey are the two names mentioned most frequently . 

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    One thing for sure: He would not bring Josh Reddick back.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    I think they would have to package him with something else, like Salty.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to Triumph-'s comment:

    With his injury history what do you expect to get from him?




    actually agree w/the dog here...better off keeping him and maybe getting lucky

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to cassvt2004's comment:

    With the bullpen very deep, especially if Bard can bounce back, it seems like Andrew Bailey is the odd man out.  They've already named Hanrahan the closer, and their are several guys who can be the so-called "set-up guy".  (Tazawa, Bard, Aceves, Breslow, Uehara, De La Rosa, Wilson).  Bailey has only been a closer, and their must be teams that he would be an upgrade over what they already have.  (The Tigers, Angels, Mariners & Marlins immediately come to mind) He is still under team control.  So what could we expect him to bring in a trade? 

    At the league minimum salary, Seattle has closer Tom Wilhelmsen who last season posted a ERA of 2.50, a WHIP of 1.11 and K/9 of 9.9 in 79.1 innings. The tall righthander held opponents to a .202/.277/.301/.578 line. The Mariners, who have closers-in-waiting in Stephen Pryor and Carter Capps, could fetch a better return for Wilhelmsen than the Red Sox could land for Andrew Bailey.

    The Mariners would have no interest in an injury-prone reliever with a 2013 salary of $4.1 million ... few teams would want Andrew Bailey at that price.

    I would not trade the deep Mariner bullpen for the Red Sox bullpen.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to hill55's comment:

    In response to cassvt2004's comment:

    With the bullpen very deep, especially if Bard can bounce back, it seems like Andrew Bailey is the odd man out.  They've already named Hanrahan the closer, and their are several guys who can be the so-called "set-up guy".  (Tazawa, Bard, Aceves, Breslow, Uehara, De La Rosa, Wilson).  Bailey has only been a closer, and their must be teams that he would be an upgrade over what they already have.  (The Tigers, Angels, Mariners & Marlins  immediately come to mind) He is still under team control.  So what could we expect him to bring in a trade? 


    At the league minimum salary, Seattle has closer Tom Wilhelmsen who last season posted a ERA of 2.50, a WHIP of 1.11 and K/9 of 9.9 in 79.1 innings. The tall righthander held opponents to a .202/.277/.301/.578 line. The Mariners, who have closers-in-waiting in Stephen Pryor and Carter Capps, could fetch a better return for Wilhelmsen than the Red Sox could land for Andrew Bailey.

     

    The Mariners would have no interest in an injury-prone reliever with a 2013 salary of $4.1 million ... few teams would want Andrew Bailey at that price.

    I would not trade the deep Mariner bullpen for the Red Sox bullpen.



    .578 OPS against in 80 IP !!!
     

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    Trade: Gomes, Salty, Bailey, Doubront, A Miller & Mortensen

    For: A Dunn, G Floyd & J Crain

     

     

     

    ....just kiddin'

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to hill55's comment:

    In response to cassvt2004's comment:

    With the bullpen very deep, especially if Bard can bounce back, it seems like Andrew Bailey is the odd man out.  They've already named Hanrahan the closer, and their are several guys who can be the so-called "set-up guy".  (Tazawa, Bard, Aceves, Breslow, Uehara, De La Rosa, Wilson).  Bailey has only been a closer, and their must be teams that he would be an upgrade over what they already have.  (The Tigers, Angels, Mariners & Marlins  immediately come to mind) He is still under team control.  So what could we expect him to bring in a trade? 


    At the league minimum salary, Seattle has closer Tom Wilhelmsen who last season posted a ERA of 2.50, a WHIP of 1.11 and K/9 of 9.9 in 79.1 innings. The tall righthander held opponents to a .202/.277/.301/.578 line. The Mariners, who have closers-in-waiting in Stephen Pryor and Carter Capps, could fetch a better return for Wilhelmsen than the Red Sox could land for Andrew Bailey.

     

    The Mariners would have no interest in an injury-prone reliever with a 2013 salary of $4.1 million ... few teams would want Andrew Bailey at that price.

    I would not trade the deep Mariner bullpen for the Red Sox bullpen.

    The Sox bullpen is pretty deep as well, Hill, but I get your point.  People seem to think that the Sox have too many bodies in the bullpen right now, but these things tend to work themselves out.  I'm pretty sure the Sox Front Office is in no rush to trade their bullpen "depth" anytime soon...

     

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    What chatter?  Let him play some and try and restore some value.  There may be a much better deal available at the August deadline.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to hill55's comment:

    In response to cassvt2004's comment:

    With the bullpen very deep, especially if Bard can bounce back, it seems like Andrew Bailey is the odd man out.  They've already named Hanrahan the closer, and their are several guys who can be the so-called "set-up guy".  (Tazawa, Bard, Aceves, Breslow, Uehara, De La Rosa, Wilson).  Bailey has only been a closer, and their must be teams that he would be an upgrade over what they already have.  (The Tigers, Angels, Mariners & Marlins  immediately come to mind) He is still under team control.  So what could we expect him to bring in a trade? 


    At the league minimum salary, Seattle has closer Tom Wilhelmsen who last season posted a ERA of 2.50, a WHIP of 1.11 and K/9 of 9.9 in 79.1 innings. The tall righthander held opponents to a .202/.277/.301/.578 line. The Mariners, who have closers-in-waiting in Stephen Pryor and Carter Capps, could fetch a better return for Wilhelmsen than the Red Sox could land for Andrew Bailey.

     

    The Mariners would have no interest in an injury-prone reliever with a 2013 salary of $4.1 million ... few teams would want Andrew Bailey at that price.

    I would not trade the deep Mariner bullpen for the Red Sox bullpen.




    Heck dude could you be any more morbid... such a downer. I am gonna call pike to issue a warning to you.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    Ive heard a little chatter with bailey and Morales but I think thats mostly reporters doing the talking and not so much GM's.

    I think Morales would go first, but I wouldnt trade either one right now. Bailey could have better value in July.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to hill55's comment:

    In response to cassvt2004's comment:

    With the bullpen very deep, especially if Bard can bounce back, it seems like Andrew Bailey is the odd man out.  They've already named Hanrahan the closer, and their are several guys who can be the so-called "set-up guy".  (Tazawa, Bard, Aceves, Breslow, Uehara, De La Rosa, Wilson).  Bailey has only been a closer, and their must be teams that he would be an upgrade over what they already have.  (The Tigers, Angels, Mariners & Marlins  immediately come to mind) He is still under team control.  So what could we expect him to bring in a trade? 


    At the league minimum salary, Seattle has closer Tom Wilhelmsen who last season posted a ERA of 2.50, a WHIP of 1.11 and K/9 of 9.9 in 79.1 innings. The tall righthander held opponents to a .202/.277/.301/.578 line. The Mariners, who have closers-in-waiting in Stephen Pryor and Carter Capps, could fetch a better return for Wilhelmsen than the Red Sox could land for Andrew Bailey.

     

    The Mariners would have no interest in an injury-prone reliever with a 2013 salary of $4.1 million ... few teams would want Andrew Bailey at that price.

    I would not trade the deep Mariner bullpen for the Red Sox bullpen.




     

    I would be surprised if the Mariners were not interested if the Sox were willing to take back Franklin Gutierrez ($7.13mill) as part of the deal.

     

    In the last 2 seasons, gutierrez has only played 132 games and has a .596OPS.  The real problem here is - would the Sox want Gutierrez? 

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    If I remember correctly a few years ago there was an issue about too many SP. Then they trade one and about 6 weeks in we were wondering where we were going to get a SP because of injuries???

    BTW what makes everyone think Bard is a shoe in for the BP?

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to dgalehouse's comment:

    One thing for sure: He would not bring Josh Reddick back.



    People seem to forget that the trade involving Reddick at the time was seen as a positive move. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If you recall in 2011 Reddick played in close to 90 games with only a few homers and 20+ RBIs. Kalish was next in line but that has been derailed by his injuries, so everyone needs to stop this useless whining about Reddick. At the time of the trade it was seen as a positive trade. 

    Hetch

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

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    In response to hill55's comment:

    In response to cassvt2004's comment:

    With the bullpen very deep, especially if Bard can bounce back, it seems like Andrew Bailey is the odd man out.  They've already named Hanrahan the closer, and their are several guys who can be the so-called "set-up guy".  (Tazawa, Bard, Aceves, Breslow, Uehara, De La Rosa, Wilson).  Bailey has only been a closer, and their must be teams that he would be an upgrade over what they already have.  (The Tigers, Angels, Mariners & Marlins  immediately come to mind) He is still under team control.  So what could we expect him to bring in a trade? 

    At the league minimum salary, Seattle has closer Tom Wilhelmsen who last season posted a ERA of 2.50, a WHIP of 1.11 and K/9 of 9.9 in 79.1 innings. The tall righthander held opponents to a .202/.277/.301/.578 line. The Mariners, who have closers-in-waiting in Stephen Pryor and Carter Capps, could fetch a better return for Wilhelmsen than the Red Sox could land for Andrew Bailey.

    The Mariners would have no interest in an injury-prone reliever with a 2013 salary of $4.1 million ... few teams would want Andrew Bailey at that price.

    I would not trade the deep Mariner bullpen for the Red Sox bullpen.

    Heck dude could you be any more morbid... such a downer. I am gonna call pike to issue a warning to you.



    Ench, 

    What is so morbid about his post. He's just giving us a therough assessment of the two bullpens and his honest point of view. 

    Hetch

     

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to georom4's comment:

    In response to Triumph-'s comment:

    With his injury history what do you expect to get from him?


    actually agree w/the dog here...better off keeping him and maybe getting lucky




    Would be great to negotiate with all the "sell low" posters around here.

     
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    One thing for sure: He would not bring Josh Reddick back.

     



    People seem to forget that the trade involving Reddick at the time was seen as a positive move. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If you recall in 2011 Reddick played in close to 90 games with only a few homers and 20+ RBIs. Kalish was next in line but that has been derailed by his injuries, so everyone needs to stop this useless whining about Reddick. At the time of the trade it was seen as a positive trade. 

     

    Hetch




    Complainers can and will complain about everything.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    Keep Bailey!

    You only make a bad trade (reddick for Bailey) worse if you turn around and now trade Bailey for even less value.

    The Red Sox need to keep Bailey and let him be the 8th inning guy.  Bailey needs to be in the best shape of his life when he gets to S/T.

     

     

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars' comment:

    In response to Hetchinspete's comment:

     

    In response to dgalehouse's comment:

     

    One thing for sure: He would not bring Josh Reddick back.

     



    People seem to forget that the trade involving Reddick at the time was seen as a positive move. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If you recall in 2011 Reddick played in close to 90 games with only a few homers and 20+ RBIs. Kalish was next in line but that has been derailed by his injuries, so everyone needs to stop this useless whining about Reddick. At the time of the trade it was seen as a positive trade. 

     

    Hetch

     




     

    Complainers can and will complain about everything.




    Complainers will complain about some things , but not about everything. Using exaggeration does not make your point. When a GM makes a blunder the magnitude of Reddick for Bailey , there will be complaints. As far as people thinking it was a good trade at the time , both Ben and Billy Beane thought it was a good trade. Only one of them was right.

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

    In response to JimfromFlorida's comment:

    If I remember correctly a few years ago there was an issue about too many SP. Then they trade one and about 6 weeks in we were wondering where we were going to get a SP because of injuries???

    BTW what makes everyone think Bard is a shoe in for the BP?




    I think Bard is a shoe-in for the Pawtucket bullpen.

     

    The Sox have 10 relievers in competition for 7 or 8 spots, depending on injuries and opening day roster construction.  Bard is a very likely odd man out because he has an option left, and therefore does not necessitate any sort of move to accomodate him.  Tazawa is in a similar position, and could also start the season in Pawtuckiet if everyone is healthy.  That still leaves8 releivers, and the only other one with an option is Aceves, who is unlikely to go to Pawtucket.  (Whether to Sox are unlikely to send him there or Aceves is unlikely to report, you make the call.)

     

    I think someone will get hurt or come down with Fenway Flu to sort it all out.  Or they just start the season with 8 relievers...

     
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    Re: As the chatter about trading Bailey gets louder, what would he realistically bring back?

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    Keep Bailey!

    You only make a bad trade (reddick for Bailey) worse if you turn around and now trade Bailey for even less value.

    The Red Sox need to keep Bailey and let him be the 8th inning guy.  Bailey needs to be in the best shape of his life when he gets to S/T.

     

     




    It really has to depend on the deal for Bailey.  

     

    If the Sox are rebuilding, then his trade value is important and it makes sense to hold him and see what happens.  But if they can get a player they want to day, the Reddick deal is completely immaterial and "trade value" is no reason to hold him with hoipes something better comes along...

     

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