Re: Athletes and religion
posted at 3/2/2012 9:18 PM EST
In Response to Re: Athletes and religion
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Athletes and religion : I appreciate the thought you put into your responses! I think your own experience proves that pregnancy, while a natural state, is not without its danger. Really, even illness and death are natural states - they are just not preferred states, and they are states that health care should aim to prevent. If you think about it, any medication that reduces blood pressure, or glucose levels or cholestorol is not really addressing a current condition, but the prevention of a potentially dangerous condition in the future. Is that so different from contraception?
Speaking as a nurse illness is not a natural state. It is not the natural way the body should work. Something goes wrong with the body so illness occurs.
When a women gets pregnant something goes right with the body. A baby is conceived because that's the natural progression of the act when the woman is fertile.
Taking blood pressure medication prevents an illness, an un-natural state. Taking birth control prevents a pregnancy, natural state.
I don't know if you have read all my posts. The pill and of course the morning after pill causes abortions. The ending of an innocent life is not a natural thing for a mom to do.
People don't talk about sterilization that is included in this bill. How is body mutilation natural? Why should insurance pay to remove or cut perfectly healthy organs?
Eventually, most women will want to take that risk because the reward is so great, but should they be asked to take that risk continuously throughout their lives when there is a medical means to prevent it? The risks increase with age, for the both the mother and the child - should age factor into the decision?
You make the risk seem much greater than it is. Life is full of risks, getting in your car, flying in a plane, getting a colonoscopy even taking an asprin.
There is a risk in childbirth but fortunately health care reduces the risk. I don't know of any women who looses sleep over bearing a child. My daughters-in-law is due in september. She is so excited to be pregnant dyeing in childbirth is not even on the radar.
Is it less of a sin for a woman in her forties to use contraception than a woman in her twenties? But again, in my mind, the debate is not about contraception itself, but how much power you want to give to a church that is acting as a business.
Power is not an issue, I'm surprised you even brought it up. The church has a right under the constitution to freedom of religion. That has nothing to do with power. Please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems you fear the church gaining power more than citizens loosing their rights.
Do you think the church is trying to control people by not wanting birth control provided in insurance? Women and men have easy access to condoms, do you see the church trying to close down drug stores?
Protestants, jews and others support the catholic church in this. If it was about power why would jews and protestants want to give the catholic church more power?
My analogy to veiling women is fair, because it is expressly described in the Quran, and many Muslim Clerics have decreed that it is demanded in the practice of their faith. Your position on contraception stems from Humanae Vitae, a Papal decree. If there were a Papal decree requiring all women to wear crucifixes, wouldn't you feel that it should apply to the students of Catholic schools, and the employees of Catholic hospitals?
The church doesn't make catholics wear crucifixes so this is a moot point. By the way all that the pope predicted would happen if women used the pill has come true. So referring to Humanae Vitae is a good thing.
Maybe that's a bit of a 'slippery slope' argument, but the direct analogy is that Christian Scientists would not be required to provide any health care to their employees, and Scientologists would not be required to provide mental health care.
Again pregnancy is not a disease so health care should not cover it. Catholics are not saying they won't provide health care. they don't want to go against their religious beliefs.
I don't know anything about scientologists or christian scientists. Do they consider proving health and mental health care to others a mortal sin that has the power to keep them out of what they call paradise?
As for the Christian College, I think I'd need more information before forming an opinion. If the students were promised a place of worship, then the college should remove the crucifix - if there was no such expectation established, then the students should either deal with it or find another place to worship.
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A catholic college has the right under the constitution to practice their faith. No one forced these students to go to this college, a private school, it's not a state school. They made a fee choice, they have to deal with the consequences.