In Response to Re: Athletes and religion
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Athletes and religion : This works for you and I for one and so happy to read that. It is your life to live and live it the best way you can. I on the other hand have lived a completely different life, filled with things that one only sees in the movies. If you had looked up the word decadent between 1978 - 2008, you would have seen my photo next to it. That being said, I have never killed anyone, inflicted purposeful pain on anyone (except an enemy) and have never turned my back on someone because they were different or their views were diffferent. I believe in charity and helping those who need it. I have even walked little old ladies across the street. I have walked into churches and bowed my head out of respect for those around me who do believe. I learned this from growing up with two wonderful parents, not because some book told me to. Every story in both the old and new testament & Qu'ran, as far as I am concerned, is a complete falsehood or an embellishment on something else.
Fact - The birthdate of the historical Jesus is not December 25th. He is either a March or August child. Christians stole the holiday as part of their weeding out the pagan rituals. And although I am sure all our esteemed members are aware of this, but just in case - Jesus of Nazareth did not look like a Rock Star with flowing locks and blue eyes. He was a short, dark skinned man just like all the rest from that place and time in the world.
Yup. I know, and have sent out Christmas cards in April. The reality of the scene of the traditional Christmas creche is probably inaccurate. The wise men (magi) were looking for almost two years. So the shepherds weren't there at the same time as the wisemen...
Jesus was probably quite a strongly built man, of the coloration you mention or at least similar. He was a carpenter of some reknown before He began His ministry. Scripture says He grew in favor with God and man ... he would not have found favor with man if he were not a good craftsman. The "power tools" of the day were muscle and sinew....
Fact - Adam and Eve is a fairytale. How do I know this - fossils. Dinosaurs and such were on this planet long before man. Those who think the Flintstones is a documentary have allowed their faith to take over too much of their lives.
The comment that they are a fairy tale is not quite true. I know many take the 6 days of creation as literal. I, on the other hand, don't think that is the case. After all, God didn't form things concerning the earth until several "days" into the creation epoc. If we are to measure the days by the earthly 24 hours, they weren't set up yet. In several places in the Old Testament the reference to time as God sees it relate to terms that were understood as immense or endless.
The non-creation story of hominid development includes a singular "Eve" as well. The Leakey family - as they searched the Rift region of Africa - so well known as those who discovered evidences of the early/earliest predecessors, made claim after claim of finding the "first" this or that. The "Eve" of their discoveries was openly proclaimed the mother of all things human ... ALL things human.
Interesting thought here is, what did "Eve" mate with to bring about the human family? What ...
The philosophical question of what comes first, the chicken or the egg, is never satisfied in evolution. It really isn't a laughing matter. When "mother nature" decides something needs to change, how does it happen? Most things that don't work in an environment die if they can't live there.
Why haven't raccoons learned to stay out of the headlights of cars?
Haven't they been facing cars long enough? Haven't they lost thousands and thousands of individuals to cars? When does mother nature say, "Hey, 'coons, time to adapt!"?
Fact - The great flood and Noah. If this were actually real, then God would have been condoning incest. Now there were large floods, but not in the Biblical sense that we were raised with (I call this taking liberty with truth - much like Hollywood does)
Always a question of how Noah could get twos of everything ... and surely one can see there is room for the understanding of what "the world" meant. For instance, our children are still being taught that Athens and Rome were the birthplace and epitome(s?) of civilization. We might include Egypt - or even Babilon and other places in the Mideast. But ... our western minded teaching has almost completely left out the realities of civilization in China, the Indian sub-continent and southeastern Asia. Time and time again we are taught Athens is the birthplace of culture.
I'm a student of - well, quasi-student - of world civilizations. As much as I love this country, we teach our children woefully limited "truths" about days gone by.
In the days of the oral and then finally the written histories of the Old Testament certainly had the insight the "world" was dealing with the area they lived in.
Heck, even some American Natives taught that they were "The People" ....
and even still the Yannomami of the deep forests of Venezuala call themselves "human" and all others are sub-human....
. Not to mention that it would mean God had one h*ll of a sense of dry humor.
Dry sense of humor when dealing with a flood? :o)
Fact - During the time of Jesus of Nazareth, there were 4 other men claiming to also be the messiah. This is according to texts which I cannot prove or disprove, but the same texts which most of the new testament is taken.
Fact is there were almost countless claims of messianic office. Not just four ... and not just during the time Christ Jesus was alive. During the times that the Hebrews were under the thumb of foreign oppressors, messiahs popped up here and there in efforts - most of the time - to try to overthrow the oppressors.
During the time of the Maccabees, messianic claims helped stir the revolt against the oppressors.
Of course, we still see people making the claim.
Fact is .... none of the rest of them were the authentic one. If they were, they would still be in the game with Jesus of Nazareth. But ...
Fact - The Council of Nicea decided what to put into the New Testament, not God. They decided what worked best for them to keep, control and increase their powers over those who believed.
The Council of Nicea did not decide what the Old Testament books were.
However, the Council was formed to deal with EXACTLY the issues that so many think of as
Here are some old testament goodies for you: I dedicate this to W.O. who likes to give us different passages from the Bible. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night) , and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) I think God was into Snuff movies. And there are a hundred others, believe me. The old testament reads like a Stephen King novel. Wish I had use this bold print before,
Let me simply say that to pick and choose references out of context is as big an error as to take parts of my scuba diving lessons or life -saving/water safety out of context.
For instance, in a life-saving move, I was taught to (dive well out of reach of the drowning victim) "climb up the body" of the victim. From ankles all the way up to the torso ... so one's hands would be all over the victim. When taken out of context ... that could easily be sexual harrassment/assault.
First time I read it, it scared the cr*p out me. I ask all who believe to hold tight to your faith. It belongs to you and no one has the right to take it away from you. But please do not preach about things which you have no clue about. I cannot believe the conversation regarding Gays, the Gay gene and the 7% of the population of man being gay where no other living creature shows this tendency. I did like the response though about LHer's. The one thing about those like me is we have science to back up so much of our beliefs. I know that not seeing is the whole point of faith. But I don't think love, peace, kindness and respect require a God. It just requires common sense and belief in yourself. Now I am going to leave this computer before I am struck down. Afterall, this is the Sabbath of the Jewish faith and they are the chosen ones. I don't wish to tempt faith. Regards jessey
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We've always had a respectful, if not a bit whacky, relationship. Take care ....