BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    No problem. My ranking system is very simple and basic, but I find it helpful.

    You want the list? Ok. I can't vouch for its accuracy, only that its mine. The main purpose for the length is so that I can better keep an eye on players dramtically improving. Have any questions on why I have a guy too low or too high, feel free to ask.

    1-Xander Bogaerts 21.0-----170
     2-Jackie Bradley Jr. 23.6--59
     3-Henry Owens 21.3---------54
     4-Garin Cecchini 22.6------53
     5-Blake Swihart 21.6-------40
     6-Mookie Betts 21.0--------38
     7-Allen Webster 23.8-------36
     8-Matt Barnes 23.4---------33
     9-Trey Ball 19.4-----------33
     10-Anthony Ranaudo 24.2----32
     0-Brandon Workman 25.2-----31
     11-Christian Vazquez 23.2--30
     0-Will Middlebrooks 25.1---30
     0-Rubby De La Rosa 24.7----27
     12-Deven Marrero 23.2------22
     13-Manuel Margot 19.1------20
     0-Drake Britton 24.5-------19
     14-Teddy Stankiewicz 19.11-17
     15-Wendell Rijo 18.1-------17
     16-Jamie Callahan 19.2-----16
     17-Brian Johnson 22.10-----15
     18-Sean Coyle 21.9---------15
     19-Cody Kukuk 20.6---------15
     20-Luis Diaz 21.7----------15
     21-Dalier Hinojosa 27.8----15
     22-Alex Hassan 25.6--------15
     23-Rafael Devers 16.10-----15
     24-Henry Ramos 21.6--------14
     25-Bryce Brentz 24.10------14
     26-Tzu-Wei Lin 19.8--------12
     00-Ryan Lavarnway 26.2-----11
     27-Daniel McGrath 19.3-----10
     28-Jon Denney 19.1---------10
     29-Myles Smith 21.7--------10
     30-Victor Acosta 17.4------9
     31-Ty Buttrey 20.7---------9
     32-Keury De La Cruz 21.11--9
     33-Daniel Butler 27.0------9
     34-Sergio Gomez 20.2-------8
     35-Travis Shaw 23.6--------7
     36-Pat Light 22.7----------7
     37-Steven Wright 29.2------7
     38-Simon Mercedes 21.8-----6
     39-Heiker Menses 22.3------5
     40-Corey Littrell 21.7-----5
     41-Keith Couch 23.11-------5
     42-Noe Ramirez 23.10-------5
     43-Emmanuel DeJesus 16.10--4
     44-Dioscar Romero 18.6-----4
     45-Jhonathan Diaz 17.1-----3.5
     46-Raimel Flores 19.1------3.5
     47-Alex Castellanos 27.2---3.5
     00-Brayan Villarreal 26.5--3.5
     48-Daniel Gonzalez 17.8----3.5
     49-Alex Wilson 26.11-------3
     50-Brock Holt 25.3---------3
     51-Jose Vinicio 20.3-------3
     52-Miguel Pena 23.1--------3
     53-Jose Almonte 18.1-------3
     54-Dedgar Jimenez 17.7-----3
     55-Mathew Price 24.3-------3
     56-Nick Longhi 18.2--------3
     57-Joe Gunkel 21.11--------3
     00-John Ely 27.5-----------3
     58-Chris Hernandez 24.10---3
     59-Heri Quevedo 23.4-------3
     60-William Cuevas 23.0-----3
     61-Justin Haley 22.4-------3
     62-Pete Hissey 23.9--------3
     63-Bryan Hudson 18.8-------3
     64-Javier Guerra 18.1------3
     65-Derrik Gibson 23.10-----2.5
     66-Kyle Stroup 23.7--------2.5
     67-Jordan Austin 18.7------2.5
     68-Yohan Aybar 16.4--------2.5
     69-Luis Alex Basabe 17.2---2.5
     70-Aaron Kurcz 23.2--------2.5
     71-David Chester 24.7------2.5
     72-Carson Blair 24.0-------2.5
     73-Mike Augliera 23.4------2.5
     74-Alixon Suarez 19.3------2.5
     75-Mario Alcantara 20.10---2.5
     76-Jason Garcia 20.11------2.5
     77-Gabe Speier 18.6--------2.5
     78-Randy Perez 19.6--------2.5
     79-Chris Balcom-Miller24.7-2
     80-Keivin Heras 19.1-------2
     81-Victor Ramirez 18.5-----2
     82-Aneury Tavarez 21.6-----2
     83-Willie Ethington 19.10--2
     84-Luis Alej Basabe 17.2---2
     85-Enfember Martinez 18.2--2
     86-Luis Ramos 18.4---------2
     87-Samir El Halaby 18.3----2
     88-Jonathan Aro 23.0-------2
     89-Miguel Celestino 24.0---2
     90-Austin Maddox 22.5------2
     91-Deiner Lopez 19.5-------2
     92-Carlos Rivero 25.5------2
     93-Jake Drehoff 21.4-------1.5
     94-Mike Meyers 19.10-------1.5
     95-Madison Younginer 22.11-1.5
     96-Jalen Williams 18.6-----1.5
     97-Dayan Diaz 24.8---------1.5
     98-Kendrick Perkins 22.1---1.5
     99-Carlos Pinales 21.6-----1.5
     100-Shannon Wilkerson 25.3-1.5
     101-Kolbrin Vitek 24.6-----1.5
     102-Matty Ott 23.6---------1.5
     103-Carlos Asuaje 21.11----1.5
     104-Jacob Dahlstrand 21.7--1.5
     105-Edwar Garcia 19.11-----1.5
     106-Forrestt Allday 22.6---1.5
     107-Jonathan Roof 24.9-----1.5
     108-Reed Gragnani 23.2-----1.5
     109-Aneudis Peralta 20.2---1.5
     110-Nate Reed 25.10--------1
     111-Jose Garcia 22.6-------1
     112-Stefan Welch 25.2------1
     113-David Renfroe 22.11----1
     114-Boss Moanaroa 22.3-----1
     115-Joseph Monge 18.5------1
     116-Williams Jerez 21.5----1
     117-Mike Adams 23.0--------1
     118-J.C. Linares 29.1------1
     119-Yunior Ortega 22.2-----1
     120-Nick Moore 20.10-------1
     121-Felix Sanchez 23.4-----1
     122-Michael Miller 24.1----1
     123-Pete Ruiz 26.2---------1
     124-Raynel Vellette 22.4---1
     125-Jordan Weems 20.11-----1
     126-Jeremy Kehrt 27.10-----1
     127-Jhon Nunez 18.10-------1
     128-Kyle Martin 22.9-------1
     129-Jervis Torrealba 18.4--1
     130-Cody Koback 23.6-------1
     131-Francisco Taveras 22.8-1
     132-German Taveras 20.8----1
     133-Ellis Jimenez 21.4-----1
     134-Robby Scott 24.2-------1  
     135-Jervenski Johnson 19.3-1
     136-David Sopilka 19.3-----1
     137-Carlos Garcia 18.10----1
     138-Jimmy Rider 23.5-------1
     139-Kyle Kraus 23.9--------1
     140-Javier Rodriguez 18.5--1
     141-Matthew Gedman 25.1----1
     142-Matt Spalding 21.0-----1
     143-Jesus Loya 21.4--------1
     144-Oscar Perez 21.11------1
     145-Taylor Grover 22.6-----1
     146-Isaias Lucena 18.11----1
     147-Michael McCarthy 25.11-1
     148-Algenis Martinez 20.1--1
     149-Juan Hernandez 17.5----1

     

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    Thanks man! 

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    Wow, that's deep.

    I could see the double D's rising in your rankings this year:

    Devers 

    &

    Denny

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

     

    It's Ranking season and BA released their list today.

    1. Xander Bogaerts

    2. Henry Owens

    3. Jackie Bradley Jr.

    4. Allen Webster

    5. Blake Swihart

    6. Garin Cecchini.

    7. Mookie Betts

    8. Brandon Workman

    9. Matt Barnes

    10. Trey Ball. 

     

    The top 15 25 and under and systems best tools is a good reas as well.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-boston-red-sox-top-10-prospects/

     

     

     


    It just go's to shows how baseball america is all over the place from year to year.   Owens is basically listed where both Barnes and Renaudo were at one time so two years from now they may end up trading places again.  Webster I wouldn't even place in the top 10 at this point.  I'm not sure what the attraction is with this guy.  Our pitching is deep so why we can't trade a few, or one of our starters for a good solid bat truly amazes me.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.


    It just go's to shows how baseball america is all over the place from year to year.   Owens is basically listed where both Barnes and Renaudo were at one time so two years from now they may end up trading places again.  Webster I wouldn't even place in the top 10 at this point.  I'm not sure what the attraction is with this guy.

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    I always felt like the Sox wanted to build up some trade value for Webster because some teams would be blown away with his pure stuff.  The problem with him is that he has consistently shown through his minor league career, that he has a major problem with control.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=webste001car

    He has a career 1.317 WHIP in the minors.  Last year however his WHIP was a career best 1.086 before his call up to the majors.  If you want to know what the attraction is to this guy, it is that he is only 23 years old and looks to have made a step forward in his progression of minimizing base runners at the AAA level. 

    Now he was so wildly inconsistent in his time up in the majors that it kinda fizzled that dream very quickly last year.  I think he has the best pure stuff in our system right now, but his numbers are pretty similar to Franklin Morales with less walks and I think he will struggle with the same types of things through his career.  That said, if Morales can make it in the majors with worse control... then there is hope for Webster.

    That said, if he can replicate the year he had in AAA last year in the majors... it would be a huge victory for this team.  He figured out something this past year because it wasn't his walks that went down to help the WHIP, people just couldn't hit his pitching.  His walks were down, but not by a ton.  His K's were up and his H/9 was very much improved.  I think that's why you see him in a lot of top ten lists.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to craze4sox's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

     

    It's Ranking season and BA released their list today.

    1. Xander Bogaerts

    2. Henry Owens

    3. Jackie Bradley Jr.

    4. Allen Webster

    5. Blake Swihart

    6. Garin Cecchini.

    7. Mookie Betts

    8. Brandon Workman

    9. Matt Barnes

    10. Trey Ball. 

     

    The top 15 25 and under and systems best tools is a good reas as well.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-boston-red-sox-top-10-prospects/

     

     

     


    It just go's to shows how baseball america is all over the place from year to year.   Owens is basically listed where both Barnes and Renaudo were at one time so two years from now they may end up trading places again.  Webster I wouldn't even place in the top 10 at this point.  I'm not sure what the attraction is with this guy.  Our pitching is deep so why we can't trade a few, or one of our starters for a good solid bat truly amazes me.

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    I'm not at all high on Webster.  I'm always suspicious when teams give up on gaudy talents, so I didn't place to much faith in either him or DLR, though either could become an good BP arm.  Unless Webster had an undisclosed injury, he just walks too many guys.  DLR too, but DLR had a pretty good rookie season at age 22.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to RedSoxDOrtiz's comment:
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    It just go's to shows how baseball america is all over the place from year to year.   Owens is basically listed where both Barnes and Renaudo were at one time so two years from now they may end up trading places again.  Webster I wouldn't even place in the top 10 at this point.  I'm not sure what the attraction is with this guy.

    [/QUOTE]

    I always felt like the Sox wanted to build up some trade value for Webster because some teams would be blown away with his pure stuff.  The problem with him is that he has consistently shown through his minor league career, that he has a major problem with control.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=webste001car

    He has a career 1.317 WHIP in the minors.  Last year however his WHIP was a career best 1.086 before his call up to the majors.  If you want to know what the attraction is to this guy, it is that he is only 23 years old and looks to have made a step forward in his progression of minimizing base runners at the AAA level. 

    Now he was so wildly inconsistent in his time up in the majors that it kinda fizzled that dream very quickly last year.  I think he has the best pure stuff in our system right now, but his numbers are pretty similar to Franklin Morales with less walks and I think he will struggle with the same types of things through his career.  That said, if Morales can make it in the majors with worse control... then there is hope for Webster.

    That said, if he can replicate the year he had in AAA last year in the majors... it would be a huge victory for this team.  He figured out something this past year because it wasn't his walks that went down to help the WHIP, people just couldn't hit his pitching.  His walks were down, but not by a ton.  His K's were up and his H/9 was very much improved.  I think that's why you see him in a lot of top ten lists.

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    I'm not sure his 30 IP in MLB last year was a large enough sample size to get a true feel for anything. He was wild for sure, but maybe it was just jitters or a bad slump.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    In response to craze4sox's comment:
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

     

    It's Ranking season and BA released their list today.

    1. Xander Bogaerts

    2. Henry Owens

    3. Jackie Bradley Jr.

    4. Allen Webster

    5. Blake Swihart

    6. Garin Cecchini.

    7. Mookie Betts

    8. Brandon Workman

    9. Matt Barnes

    10. Trey Ball. 

     

    The top 15 25 and under and systems best tools is a good reas as well.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-boston-red-sox-top-10-prospects/

     

     

     


    It just go's to shows how baseball america is all over the place from year to year.   Owens is basically listed where both Barnes and Renaudo were at one time so two years from now they may end up trading places again.  Webster I wouldn't even place in the top 10 at this point.  I'm not sure what the attraction is with this guy.  Our pitching is deep so why we can't trade a few, or one of our starters for a good solid bat truly amazes me.

    [/QUOTE]

    I'm not at all high on Webster.  I'm always suspicious when teams give up on gaudy talents, so I didn't place to much faith in either him or DLR, though either could become an good BP arm.  Unless Webster had an undisclosed injury, he just walks too many guys.  DLR too, but DLR had a pretty good rookie season at age 22.

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    The Dodgers did get some talent for the prospects. It does not necessarily mean they looked down on Webster or de la Rosa.

     

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    My personal rule for ranking players is that 120 AB's, 50 innings for starters and 20 innings for relievers disqualify a player. Playoffs don't count. Makes things simpler not counting playoffs. I think these numbers are very similar to other peoples rules.

    Great work BMav.

    Just a heads up:

    Brock Holt has 124 ABs in MLB.

    Alex Wilson has 28 IP as a RP.

    There may be more.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    It's Ranking season and BA released their list today.

    1. Xander Bogaerts

    2. Henry Owens

    3. Jackie Bradley Jr.

    4. Allen Webster

    5. Blake Swihart

    6. Garin Cecchini.

    7. Mookie Betts

    8. Brandon Workman

    9. Matt Barnes

    10. Trey Ball. 

     

    The top 15 25 and under and systems best tools is a good reas as well.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-boston-red-sox-top-10-prospects/

     

    [/QUOTE] That list was made up out of the mind of Alex Speier.


     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to RedSoxDOrtiz's comment:

    No problem. My ranking system is very simple and basic, but I find it helpful.

    You want the list? Ok. I can't vouch for its accuracy, only that its mine. The main purpose for the length is so that I can better keep an eye on players dramtically improving. Have any questions on why I have a guy too low or too high, feel free to ask.

    1-Xander Bogaerts 21.0-----170
     2-Jackie Bradley Jr. 23.6--59
     3-Henry Owens 21.3---------54
     4-Garin Cecchini 22.6------53
     5-Blake Swihart 21.6-------40
     6-Mookie Betts 21.0--------38
     7-Allen Webster 23.8-------36
     8-Matt Barnes 23.4---------33
     9-Trey Ball 19.4-----------33
     10-Anthony Ranaudo 24.2----32
     0-Brandon Workman 25.2-----31
     11-Christian Vazquez 23.2--30
     0-Will Middlebrooks 25.1---30
     0-Rubby De La Rosa 24.7----27
     12-Deven Marrero 23.2------22
     13-Manuel Margot 19.1------20
     0-Drake Britton 24.5-------19
     14-Teddy Stankiewicz 19.11-17
     15-Wendell Rijo 18.1-------17
     16-Jamie Callahan 19.2-----16
     17-Brian Johnson 22.10-----15
     18-Sean Coyle 21.9---------15
     19-Cody Kukuk 20.6---------15
     20-Luis Diaz 21.7----------15
     21-Dalier Hinojosa 27.8----15
     22-Alex Hassan 25.6--------15
     23-Rafael Devers 16.10-----15
     24-Henry Ramos 21.6--------14
     25-Bryce Brentz 24.10------14
     26-Tzu-Wei Lin 19.8--------12
     00-Ryan Lavarnway 26.2-----11
     27-Daniel McGrath 19.3-----10
     28-Jon Denney 19.1---------10
     29-Myles Smith 21.7--------10
     30-Victor Acosta 17.4------9
     31-Ty Buttrey 20.7---------9
     32-Keury De La Cruz 21.11--9
     33-Daniel Butler 27.0------9
     34-Sergio Gomez 20.2-------8
     35-Travis Shaw 23.6--------7
     36-Pat Light 22.7----------7
     37-Steven Wright 29.2------7
     38-Simon Mercedes 21.8-----6
     39-Heiker Menses 22.3------5
     40-Corey Littrell 21.7-----5
     41-Keith Couch 23.11-------5
     42-Noe Ramirez 23.10-------5
     43-Emmanuel DeJesus 16.10--4
     44-Dioscar Romero 18.6-----4
     45-Jhonathan Diaz 17.1-----3.5
     46-Raimel Flores 19.1------3.5
     47-Alex Castellanos 27.2---3.5
     00-Brayan Villarreal 26.5--3.5
     48-Daniel Gonzalez 17.8----3.5
     49-Alex Wilson 26.11-------3
     50-Brock Holt 25.3---------3
     51-Jose Vinicio 20.3-------3
     52-Miguel Pena 23.1--------3
     53-Jose Almonte 18.1-------3
     54-Dedgar Jimenez 17.7-----3
     55-Mathew Price 24.3-------3
     56-Nick Longhi 18.2--------3
     57-Joe Gunkel 21.11--------3
     00-John Ely 27.5-----------3
     58-Chris Hernandez 24.10---3
     59-Heri Quevedo 23.4-------3
     60-William Cuevas 23.0-----3
     61-Justin Haley 22.4-------3
     62-Pete Hissey 23.9--------3
     63-Bryan Hudson 18.8-------3
     64-Javier Guerra 18.1------3
     65-Derrik Gibson 23.10-----2.5
     66-Kyle Stroup 23.7--------2.5
     67-Jordan Austin 18.7------2.5
     68-Yohan Aybar 16.4--------2.5
     69-Luis Alex Basabe 17.2---2.5
     70-Aaron Kurcz 23.2--------2.5
     71-David Chester 24.7------2.5
     72-Carson Blair 24.0-------2.5
     73-Mike Augliera 23.4------2.5
     74-Alixon Suarez 19.3------2.5
     75-Mario Alcantara 20.10---2.5
     76-Jason Garcia 20.11------2.5
     77-Gabe Speier 18.6--------2.5
     78-Randy Perez 19.6--------2.5
     79-Chris Balcom-Miller24.7-2
     80-Keivin Heras 19.1-------2
     81-Victor Ramirez 18.5-----2
     82-Aneury Tavarez 21.6-----2
     83-Willie Ethington 19.10--2
     84-Luis Alej Basabe 17.2---2
     85-Enfember Martinez 18.2--2
     86-Luis Ramos 18.4---------2
     87-Samir El Halaby 18.3----2
     88-Jonathan Aro 23.0-------2
     89-Miguel Celestino 24.0---2
     90-Austin Maddox 22.5------2
     91-Deiner Lopez 19.5-------2
     92-Carlos Rivero 25.5------2
     93-Jake Drehoff 21.4-------1.5
     94-Mike Meyers 19.10-------1.5
     95-Madison Younginer 22.11-1.5
     96-Jalen Williams 18.6-----1.5
     97-Dayan Diaz 24.8---------1.5
     98-Kendrick Perkins 22.1---1.5
     99-Carlos Pinales 21.6-----1.5
     100-Shannon Wilkerson 25.3-1.5
     101-Kolbrin Vitek 24.6-----1.5
     102-Matty Ott 23.6---------1.5
     103-Carlos Asuaje 21.11----1.5
     104-Jacob Dahlstrand 21.7--1.5
     105-Edwar Garcia 19.11-----1.5
     106-Forrestt Allday 22.6---1.5
     107-Jonathan Roof 24.9-----1.5
     108-Reed Gragnani 23.2-----1.5
     109-Aneudis Peralta 20.2---1.5
     110-Nate Reed 25.10--------1
     111-Jose Garcia 22.6-------1
     112-Stefan Welch 25.2------1
     113-David Renfroe 22.11----1
     114-Boss Moanaroa 22.3-----1
     115-Joseph Monge 18.5------1
     116-Williams Jerez 21.5----1
     117-Mike Adams 23.0--------1
     118-J.C. Linares 29.1------1
     119-Yunior Ortega 22.2-----1
     120-Nick Moore 20.10-------1
     121-Felix Sanchez 23.4-----1
     122-Michael Miller 24.1----1
     123-Pete Ruiz 26.2---------1
     124-Raynel Vellette 22.4---1
     125-Jordan Weems 20.11-----1
     126-Jeremy Kehrt 27.10-----1
     127-Jhon Nunez 18.10-------1
     128-Kyle Martin 22.9-------1
     129-Jervis Torrealba 18.4--1
     130-Cody Koback 23.6-------1
     131-Francisco Taveras 22.8-1
     132-German Taveras 20.8----1
     133-Ellis Jimenez 21.4-----1
     134-Robby Scott 24.2-------1  
     135-Jervenski Johnson 19.3-1
     136-David Sopilka 19.3-----1
     137-Carlos Garcia 18.10----1
     138-Jimmy Rider 23.5-------1
     139-Kyle Kraus 23.9--------1
     140-Javier Rodriguez 18.5--1
     141-Matthew Gedman 25.1----1
     142-Matt Spalding 21.0-----1
     143-Jesus Loya 21.4--------1
     144-Oscar Perez 21.11------1
     145-Taylor Grover 22.6-----1
     146-Isaias Lucena 18.11----1
     147-Michael McCarthy 25.11-1
     148-Algenis Martinez 20.1--1
     149-Juan Hernandez 17.5----1

     



    Thanks man! 

    [/QUOTE] Well accuracy isn't very important in your compulation because you gave the entirity of the organization! Impressive to see that you included 148 players top to bottom...I don't include guys who have WS rings on their fingers as prospects. Holt, Bogaerts, Britton, Wilson,Workman and i would not have included Webster had he stayed for any length of time!!!


     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to sportsbozo1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    It's Ranking season and BA released their list today.

    1. Xander Bogaerts

    2. Henry Owens

    3. Jackie Bradley Jr.

    4. Allen Webster

    5. Blake Swihart

    6. Garin Cecchini.

    7. Mookie Betts

    8. Brandon Workman

    9. Matt Barnes

    10. Trey Ball. 

     

    The top 15 25 and under and systems best tools is a good reas as well.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2014-boston-red-sox-top-10-prospects/

     

    [/QUOTE] That list was made up out of the mind of Alex Speier.


    [/QUOTE]

    All prospect lists are made up of somebody, and....they are all subjective as well.  But useful, fun and interesting none the less. 

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    My personal rule for ranking players is that 120 AB's, 50 innings for starters and 20 innings for relievers disqualify a player. Playoffs don't count. Makes things simpler not counting playoffs. I think these numbers are very similar to other peoples rules.

    Great work BMav.

    Just a heads up:

    Brock Holt has 124 ABs in MLB.

    Alex Wilson has 28 IP as a RP.

    There may be more.

    [/QUOTE]

    You are right, thanks.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    Last year went to 2 games, and my Son went to one, Saw Barnes beat the best Prospect in Twins Organization, (he went to Futures Game), cold night. Pitched beautiful, 3 or 4 hitter K' 10 or 11. My son saw Renaudo pitch next day, pitched another gem. Went to Matinee on Monday, Workman got blasted. Gave up 6 or 7 Runs in about 3 innings, they were hitting him hard.
    Tells you about the Prospects, we got some kids.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    I'm really excited about our 2014 farm.

    Here's the PawSox rotation:

    Webster

    Ranaudo

    Barnes

    Wright

    Hinojosa

    and probably Owens later in the season

    The PawSox pen:

    de la Rosa

    Britton

    Villareal

    Wilson

    Hernandez

    Layne

    Ely

    Watanabe

     

    NICE!!!

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    I'm really excited about our 2014 farm.

    Here's the PawSox rotation:

    Webster

    Ranaudo

    Barnes

    Wright

    Hinojosa

    and probably Owens later in the season

    The PawSox pen:

    de la Rosa

    Britton

    Villareal

    Wilson

    Hernandez

    Layne

    Ely

    Watanabe

     

    NICE!!!

    [/QUOTE]

    I still think they some how squueze Workman into the AAA starting rotaion to start the year. Don't know who would be out though.

    Also think John Ely is a sleeper candidate to he help the big league pen at some point this year. He is coming off Tommy John and won't be ready at the start of the year, but he was great in 2012 in AAA as a starter and his stuff should play up better out of the pen. I think he has the makeup, command, and change up to be pretty good.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    I'm really excited about our 2014 farm.

    Here's the PawSox rotation:

    Webster

    Ranaudo

    Barnes

    Wright

    Hinojosa

    and probably Owens later in the season

    The PawSox pen:

    de la Rosa

    Britton

    Villareal

    Wilson

    Hernandez

    Layne

    Ely

    Watanabe

     

    NICE!!!

     



    Thats Triple AAA, we're deep all the way down to Single A, with another good Draft. WOW! Thats why Ben is a smarter GM than Theo, understands that Free Agents are good if you dont have depth at that position, but never give up Prospects and Draft Picks. Feed the Farm.

     

    Find Value in Free Agents, not Names.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to BMav's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    I'm really excited about our 2014 farm.

    Here's the PawSox rotation:

    Webster

    Ranaudo

    Barnes

    Wright

    Hinojosa

    and probably Owens later in the season

    The PawSox pen:

    de la Rosa

    Britton

    Villareal

    Wilson

    Hernandez

    Layne

    Ely

    Watanabe

     

    NICE!!!

    [/QUOTE]

    I still think they some how squueze Workman into the AAA starting rotaion to start the year. Don't know who would be out though.

    Also think John Ely is a sleeper candidate to he help the big league pen at some point this year. He is coming off Tommy John and won't be ready at the start of the year, but he was great in 2012 in AAA as a starter and his stuff should play up better out of the pen. I think he has the makeup, command, and change up to be pretty good.

    [/QUOTE]

    If they view Workman as a starter, it makes total sense to start him in AAA. The big club could start with...

    S1 Lester

    S2 Buch

    S3 Lackey

    S4 Peavy

    S5 Doub

    CL Uehara

    R2 Mujica

    R3 Breslow

    R4 Tazawa

    R5 Miller

    R6 Dempster

    R7 Badenhop

     

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    Here is a FanGraphs analysis of players whom Baseball America never named on its Top 100 prospect rankings:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/looking-for-bias-in-top-100-prospect-lists/#more-143109

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to hill55's comment:
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    Here is a FanGraphs analysis of players whom Baseball America never named on its Top 100 prospect rankings:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/looking-for-bias-in-top-100-prospect-lists/#more-143109

    [/QUOTE]

    Great article. Here's the ending summary...

    Perhaps it’s not Baseball America, it’s the scouting community as a whole that is undervaluing these types of players. After all, Baseball America relies heavily on talking to outside sources when writing reports and creating top prospect lists. Another thing to consider would be that I only looked at players who made it, I didn’t try and find all the similar players who didn’t.

    But, if I could condense what I’ve learned from this lengthy exercise into a few rules for thinking about prospects, they would be as follows . . .

    1) Ignore draft status. This is tough for me, since I covered the draft for Baseball America for the past five years. I love the draft. Even before I worked at BA, I would play hookey from my old jobs to stay home and keep tabs on the event. But it’s true, and that’s what is great about baseball—there are big leaguers drafted in every round of the draft. Mike Piazza was famously a 62nd-round favor, but there’s also Travis Hafner (31), Raul Ibanez (36), Rajai Davis (38), Orlando Hudson (43), Julio Lugo (43), Brad Ausmus (48), Marcus Giles (53), Gabe Kapler (57), Jeff Conine (58) and many more. In fact, players drafted in the 30th round or later since 1984 have combined for 119,465 big league at-bats and 33,289 innings pitched. The best pitchers in the group are Buehrle (38), Scott Erickson (31), Brian Anderson (49), Jason Bere (36), Jason Isringhausen (44), Kyle Farnsworth (47), Robb Nen (32), Heath Bell (69), Chad Gaudin (34) and Scot Shields (38), among others.

    2) Age is just a number. Too often players get pumped up because they’re young for the level or too harshly criticized because they’re a little bit older than the league average age. First of all, it’s not the player’s fault. More importantly, as one of my favorite scouts likes to say, “They don’t check IDs in the batter’s box.”

    3) Size is just a number. Or, rather, a couple numbers. But that’s one of the best things about baseball—it takes all shapes and sizes. Yogi Berra was 5-foot-7 and Randy Johnson was 6-foot-10. Willie Mays was 5-foot-10 and Mickey Mantle was 5-foot-11. Babe Ruth is listed at 215 pounds, but he likely weighed more. Pedro Martinez was 5-foot-11, 170-pounds and can compete against someone like Frank Thomas, who was 6-foot-5, 240 pounds.

    4) Profiles aren’t the be-all, end-all / Believe in the bat. These two go hand-in-hand. Another recurring trend with many of the players listed above is that they could hit, but other question marks somewhere in their game—whether it be defensive skills, or a lack of power, or a lack of speed—held them back from being ranked higher. Evaluators can sometimes be too dismissive of players who don’t perfectly fit the standard positional profiles. But hitting ability is the most important attribute for a position player. “If you can hit, you can play,” as the saying goes.

     

    5) Control is more important than stuff. This is another tough one for me. I love stuff. Who doesn’t? Stuff is sexy. Everybody loves a 97 mph fastball, a knee-buckling curveball or a Bugs Bunny changeup. Stuff gets you seen, stuff gets you paid, stuff gets outs and stuff has value. Ideally you want both, but stuff only has value if you can control it. You can find plenty of big leaguers with average or below-average stuff, but they succeed because they can command the strike zone and change speeds. On the flipside, stuff is worthless without control. Just ask Jason Neighborgall. That’s an extreme example, of course, but no more extreme than Jamie Moyer on the other end of the spectrum.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    Put me right there at 150. Cant go to my right or left, tall as Willie , heavier than Babe but faster take a lot of pitches cause I can't hit many, pretty good control, except when drunk, lost maybe twenty off the ole fastballand a pretty good clubhouse guy when I can hear what the guys are saying, glad that age (too much) and size (way too much) are just numbers. Will play for beer (even domestic) and post game meals

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    My top 10 would be:

    1) Xander

    2) Owens

    3) Cecchini

    4) Betts

    5) JBJ

    6) Ranaudo

    7) Barnes

    8) T Ball

    9) Webster

    10) Tie: Swihart/ Vasquez

    [/QUOTE]

    Including Swihart/Vasquez makes sense. They have one year to be ready as AJ only signed for one year.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to boboinfla's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    My top 10 would be:

    1) Xander

    2) Owens

    3) Cecchini

    4) Betts

    5) JBJ

    6) Ranaudo

    7) Barnes

    8) T Ball

    9) Webster

    10) Tie: Swihart/ Vasquez

    [/QUOTE]

    Including Swihart/Vasquez makes sense. They have one year to be ready as AJ only signed for one year.

    [/QUOTE]

    I doubt Swihart will be ready by April 2015, so it will come down to one from Lavarnway, Butler or Vazquez.

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    Some here have complained about the lack of balance in our farm system, specifically the lack of power hitters, OF'ers and 1Bmen, but every system has holes here and there, and we have players that can move to other positions to fill some needs.

    Here is a look position by position prospects and young players:

    C: Vazquez, Swihart, Denny, Lavarnway, Butler

    1B: Middlebrooks/Cecchini, Synder, T Shaw

    2B: Betts, Rijo, Holt, Coyle

    SS: Bogaerts, Marrero, Vinicio, Lin

    3B: Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, Cecchini

    LF: Cecchini, Hassan, de la Cruz

    CF: Bradley, Margot, Linares, Ramos

    RF: Brentz, Hissey

    SP: Doubront, Workman, Britton, Owens, Ranaudo, Webster, Barnes, Wright, Hinojosa, B Johnson, L Diaz... 

    RP: Workman, Britton, de la Rosa, A Wilson, C Hernandez, T Layne, J Ely, Watanabe, N Ramirez, Kurcz, Balcom-Miller, K Martin...

     

    I like what I see.

     

    We may also see Betts and Rijo moved to other positions (or traded) due to the Pedroia longterm blockage.

     

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    are they giving up on RDLR as a starter? last i heard he was starting in AAA before his various callups to the bigs to pitch out of the pen. have they given up on him or is it just a matter of the rotation being full?

     
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    Re: BA Red Sox prospect rankings.

    In response to mef429's comment:
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    are they giving up on RDLR as a starter? last i heard he was starting in AAA before his various callups to the bigs to pitch out of the pen. have they given up on him or is it just a matter of the rotation being full?

    [/QUOTE]

    I was going by soxprospects.com lising him as Pawtucket's closer for 2014. I'm not sure if Sox management has given up on him as a starter.

     

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