Re: Ben, Admit you messed up and get rid of...
posted at 4/28/2013 10:37 PM EDT
In response to georom4's comment:
In response to redsoxdirtdog's comment:
No doubt, SO FAR, Drew looks like a mistake. In fact, I hated this signing, as I thought the contract was grossly over-inflated!!!!
However.... Given the fact that he was signed, & is our Starting SS, I'm willing to cut the guy some slack. I PRAY he gets it rolling, as he has done little other than kill rallies so far. The frustration is understandable. However, he certainly has good career hitting #'s, and assuming the injury is fully healed, he should start hitting. Certainly a GOOD player historically, so to BASH Ben C. is a bit myopic in thinking. With the worries about Iggy being able to hit ML pitching, we certainly needed to acquire a decent SS. $10 million / yr is crazy money to throw at the SS position, unless it's a top second tier player, but it is what it is..... THE MARKET IS WAY OVER-INFLATED! Deal with it.
Bashing Ben C. seems to be the point here, which is IRONIC given the fact that his other signings are paying HUGE DIVIDENDS! Pretty selective outrage here Geo? If you're going to kill him for this signing early in the season, you should be signing his praises for the other signings who are killing it!
yea i see your point but it really wasnt a knock on ben believe it or not/ i just want us to get rid of these dead weights and put jackie, and iggy back in the bigs.....napoli looks like the bargain basement deal of alltime, shane is hurt but looks good, dempster doesnt surprise me because he's what i expected ...but lets be honest the success of this team has nothign to do with ben and all to do with the starting pitching which he inherited (cept for dempster)
As I've written many times before you know I have disagreed with you many times but also have agreed with you as well, but called you out last year for being overly negative. With this post you leave me speechless. It's way too reactionary, etc.
It wasn't Ben who ruined Bard. Bard's downfall was a biproduct of his own ambitions to become a starter. Ben could have stood his ground and refused to allow Bard the experiement but the Sox were in dire need of pitching so his wishes were met. Unfortunately in hindsight it was a bad move but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Who would know or could have predicted Bard's career would have been derailed by the move.
Drew's season has just started and considering Iggy's pathetic showing last year with the bat it was obvious he wasn't ready. Yeah he started 9/20 but how long would that last. Just as Iggy is not as bad as last year Drew is not as bad as you say and based on prior career number should prove to be a good signing until Iggy or another young SS in the minors is ready. I will grant you he was overpaid but that is not Drew's fault. More time at Pawtucket is needed before Iggy is ready.
People were raving about JBJ after ST but once the year started he looked over matched against real pitching. If you want to pick on Ben give him credit as well. To say in quotes
"but lets be honest the success of this team has nothign to do with ben and all to do with the starting pitching which he inherited (cept for dempster)" is pure nonsense. It is Ben who get's credit for bringing in new talent that has revitalized this team amd it was under Ben's watch that Farrel was brought in, which is possibly why both Buch and Lester have found themselves again. Ben possibly could have farmed out Lackey to the Dodgers as part of the salary dump he believed in him and now Lackey might be back to the quality pitcher he was in LA.
Your quote is the same false reasoning that some fans used in not giving Francona credit for guiding the Red Sox to World Series wins in 2004-07.
Again if you want to dump on Ben give him credit as well and again not every move a GM or manager makes will succeed. Along with success always comes some failure, but hopefully more good moves are made over time.