Re: Boras and Drew
posted at 1/16/2014 12:43 PM EST
In response to ThefourBs' comment:
In response to S5's comment:
In response to jasko2248's comment:
In response to S5's comment:
I don't get the rationale of saying that the trade was worth it because we won the WS. That rationale says that since we don't know what would have happened if we hadn't made the trade and we won the WS it MUST have been a good trade.
The fact is that the FO blundered into it being a "good trade" because of Iggys error, but for the longer term this trade was a disaster.
S5, please tell me Jose Iglesias is your son, then I "might" be able to understand your passion for the guy. The trade will be a "disaster" long term?! I appreciate a guy who can play defense as much as the next fan, but there isn't a GM in baseball who would trade the Red Sox current SS (Xander Boegarts) for 9 Jose Iglesiases. This Sox Front Office values their prospects like gold, so there might just be some red flags with Iglesias. If he goes on to have a similar career as Omar Vizquel or Ozzie Smith (obviously unlikely), then I still wouldn't call the trade a "disaster." The trade was the right move at the time, the Sox won it all, and I don't know of anyone in baseball who has criticized the Sox for making that deal.
Believe it or not, my passion for Iglesias isn't as great as my passion for the Red Sox. I said back in mid-summer that I'd watch this season go down the tubes before I'd trade any of the Sox top six prospects - and that included Iggy.
As an aside here, I believe the team gave up too much to get too little of something they didn't need. The general consensus was that the team needed bullpen help but instead they gave up a valuable player of the future to get a mediocre starting pitcher with a good pedigree when they could have given up lesser prospects to fill the BP need.
But I digress...
For me the issue never was Drew vs. Iggy at SS. I was and am happy with what Drew gave the team both in the regular season and the post-season. However, Drew's contract expired at the end of 2013 and Iggy was the natural replacement, with Bogarts and Middy battling it out for 3B in 2014. The loser of that battle would either go to 1b or the OF...or get traded. For the remainder of 2013 Iggy was the UIF.
The issue was never Bogarts vs. Iggy at SS either. I like Bogarts bat as much as I like Iggy's glove and we could have had both.
The real issue for me came to 2014 and beyond. I saw a real possibility of a dynasty much like the Yankees built with Jeter, Posada and Bernie Williams as the kingpins of it (did I leave anyone out?) only with Iggy, Bogarts and JBJ, and possibly Middlebrooks.
Instead of that as of today we're unsure of who the SS and 3B are going to be going into 2014, AND we have a rookie CF who has yet to prove himself offensively. IMHO that's too many question marks for a defending WS champion.
IMHO by the 2016 season we're going to be looking back on this trade and thinking of it as being in the same vein as Bagwell/Anderson. And the only thing we'll be able to say is, "Well, we won the WS 2013, so it must have been worth it".
And I now defer to DGalehouse's post about the blue shirt and $20.
So, on one hand, the Sox could've had a dynasty with Iggy, Bogaerts, JBJ.
But, because Iggy is gone, JBJ in now an unproven rookie?
I don't see how Iggy's absence changes JBJs status.
I'm sorry, but if the loss of one slick-fielding SS is going to keep a team from going deep inot the playoffs, year after year, then that team wasn't built properly in the first place.
Nope, JBJ is what he is regardless of what anyone else anywhere is doing. He's an unproven rookie.
Being a "strong up the middle" guy I'm not at all comfortable with two of them up the middle. I'd rather have one unproven rookie up the middle than two. Which is why at this time I'm all for signing Drew and letting Bogarts and Middy battle it out for 3B. The same argument can be made for this that was made for letting Iggy go. We've still got Chicchini and Marrero coming up to fill a left side of the IF spot in a year or two if need be.
One cannot overstate the importance of defense. Having a SS who made one critical error may be what kept the Tigers out of the WS.