Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

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    Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

    Brett Gardner is an average OF'er at best.  He doesn't hold a candle to Jacoby Ellsbury.  Period.
     
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    Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

    Not defensively he isn't; nor is his speed. Last yr he was hitting over .340 before the thumb injury. And he hitting  .287 this yr, with a plate approach the RS would approve of.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury:
    [QUOTE]Brett Gardner is an average OF'er at best.  He doesn't hold a candle to Jacoby Ellsbury.  Period.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]

    Ridiculous. Watch him play some time. His instincts are much better than Jake's.
    But Jake is reaching a higher level offensively.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury : Ridiculous. Watch him play some time. His instincts are much better than Jake's. But Jake is reaching a higher level offensively.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    Agree. But the OP was looking to make waves yet again.
     
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    Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

    Maybe softy should move from the back hills of NC to NY, so he can marry the "nicely built" Gardner.

    Ellsbury: 27 (turns 28 Sept 11th)
     Career: .298/.352/.430/.782  (OPS+ 103)
      1964 PAs,  108 2B+3B, 36 HRs,  164 SB,  34 CS  

    Gardner: 26 (turns 27 Aug 24th)
     Career: .273/.360/.379/.775  (OPS+ 97)
      1351 PAs,  67 2B+3B,  12 HRs,  117 SB,  25 CS

    Post season:
      Ellsbury: (76 PA)  .261/.316/.391/.707
      Gardner: (46 PA)  .175/.227/.175/.402

    Don't look now, but Jake is now over a .900 OPS.

     
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    Gardner epitomises the "slap-hitting, Lofton-type" hitter.
    Jake has a much higher ceiling offensively.

    But to call Gardner's defensive skills "average" is dumb.
     
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    Sounds like Harness is defending the sacrificial lamb/ target pal of his Softlaw. When everyone is on the Ellsbury bandwagon it is boring and it is time for the contrarians to go to work. Tag team of Softlaw and Harness come to the rescue. Goal is to generate traffic for two lonely old men who stay up all night. It gets lonely here for them here at 4 a.m.
     
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    [QUOTE]If Gardner was a Bahston sock, you fans would be singing a different song
    Posted by greatestNYY[/QUOTE]

    I'd love Gardner in a Sox uniform.

    I'd gladly trade CC for Gardner even if their contracts were equal.

     
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    Just wanted to see if the roach would come out of his crack. It worked!
     
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    In Response to Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury:
    [QUOTE]Sounds like Harness is defending the sacrificial lamb/ target pal of his Softlaw. When everyone is on the Ellsbury bandwagon it is boring and it is time for the contrarians to go to work. Tag team of Softlaw and Harness come to the rescue. Goal is to generate traffic for two lonely old men who stay up all night. It gets lonely here for them here at 4 a.m.
    Posted by Your-Echo[/QUOTE]

    Are you saying Gardner is just an average fielder? 

    If I say he is a great fielder, does that mean I am a softyphile?

    Gardner is one of the, if not the, best fielding LF'er in MLB.

    There. 
     
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    Why do Harness and Moonslav not see that Softlaw over the years runs to his computer everytime that Jake makes the slightest error or miscalculation. Why are 100% of Softlaws posts about Jake critical? Why are 90% of forum participants aware that Softlaw's Jake routine is phony and insincere? Even Softlaw has admitted on here that he does his contrarian act in order to liven up a boring forum. He does his devil's advocacy in order to stir the pot. So why do you ( Moonslav and Harness) see the OP as being sincere and honest instead of more pretending. Didn't Moonslav call Softlaw "The Great Pretender"? If the forum activity slows down, there is no need to su-ck up to Softlaw, Bosox1941, Georom, and Andrewmitch. That is like endorsing the spread of wet manure in order to draw flies.
     
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    Whenever I'm having a bad day, I can always count on Softy making me laugh with his obsession over Jacoby.
     
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    In Response to Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury:
    [QUOTE]Why do Harness and Moonslav not see that Softlaw over the years runs to his computer everytime that Jake makes the slightest error or miscalculation. Why are 100% of Softlaws posts about Jake critical? Why are 90% of forum participants aware that Softlaw's Jake routine is phony and insincere? Even Softlaw has admitted on here that he does his contrarian act in order to liven up a boring forum. He does his devil's advocacy in order to stir the pot. So why do you ( Moonslav and Harness) see the OP as being sincere and honest instead of more pretending. Didn't Moonslav call Softlaw "The Great Pretender"? If the forum activity slows down, there is no need to su-ck up to Softlaw, Bosox1941, Georom, and Andrewmitch. That is like endorsing the spread of wet manure in order to draw flies.
    Posted by Your-Echo[/QUOTE]

    I think you forgot somebody.

     
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    Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

    wow another great post from billbyboy. I honestly dont think he really thinks about what he is posting before he actually posts it. Ellsbury is an allstar centerfielder who is on pace for over 20 homers, thats more than gardner has in his career. Gardner is close in comparison to joey gathright or peter bourjus than ellsbury. 
     
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    What r u smoking dude???????????
     
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    Just another night at the office for Ellsbury.  3 for 4 with a walk, 3 runs, 2 RBI.  OPS now over .900, 18 for 38 in the last 9 games. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury:
    [QUOTE]Why do Harness and Moonslav not see that Softlaw over the years runs to his computer everytime that Jake makes the slightest error or miscalculation. Why are 100% of Softlaws posts about Jake critical? Why are 90% of forum participants aware that Softlaw's Jake routine is phony and insincere? Even Softlaw has admitted on here that he does his contrarian act in order to liven up a boring forum. He does his devil's advocacy in order to stir the pot. So why do you ( Moonslav and Harness) see the OP as being sincere and honest instead of more pretending. Didn't Moonslav call Softlaw "The Great Pretender"? If the forum activity slows down, there is no need to su-ck up to Softlaw, Bosox1941, Georom, and Andrewmitch. That is like endorsing the spread of wet manure in order to draw flies.
    Posted by Your-Echo[/QUOTE]

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Gardner is a great fielder. That's a fact: it's not su-cking up to anyone. 

    Truth is truth. Even silly Softy is bound to get lucky sometimes.
     
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    Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

    ya but thats about all gardner is. He does not offer much with the stick and is not that great at stealing bases (he is fast but gets caught stealing quite often)
     
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    [QUOTE]ya but thats about all gardner is. He does not offer much with the stick and is not that great at stealing bases (he is fast but gets caught stealing quite often)
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]

    Then why the clamor for him to replace a declining Jeter at lead off on arguably the 2nd best lineup in baseball? What's wrong with hitting .287, a .366 OBP, 31 SB (3 more than Ellsbury in more than 100 less PAs), and amongst the leaders in pitches seen per PA (8th , at 4.16) for that purpose?
     
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    Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

    LOL !!
     
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    In Response to Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury : Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Gardner is a great fielder. That's a fact: it's not su-cking up to anyone.  Truth is truth. Even silly Softy is bound to get lucky sometimes.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    What a great line! Even better than Softy-phile!!!
    You just pigeon-holed the human pigeonhole.
    Pikeis running out of victims to label.
     
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    Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

    What is the Reverse Pivot? Is it anything like the Triple Axel or the Double Solchow? 
     
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    Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury

    ya but thats about all gardner is. He does not offer much with the stick and is not that great at stealing bases (he is fast but gets caught stealing quite often)

    Career .360 OBP is a value in MLB today.

    Career SB/Att: 117/142 (82%)

    This year: .366 OBP and 31/41 SB/Att (76%)

    Jacoby's SB/Att?
    Career: 164/198 (83%)
    2011: 28/38 (74%)

    Looks like they are about even in CS%.
     
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    In Response to Re: Brett Gardner is a better long term beyond FA Value than Ellsbury:
    [QUOTE]Is this really a thread?
    Posted by BosoxJoe5[/QUOTE]

    No....it's Comedy Central.
     

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