Carlos Beltran

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    Carlos Beltran

    If we were able to get Beltran at 2 years at around 12.5 million, would we not be better off rather than keeping Ortiz?
    Beltran would replace Ortiz's left handed bat with a switch hitting bat in a left handed strong lineup. It would cancel out ortiz's money from last year and would get us two draft picks. Beltran would for the most part make up for Ortiz's bat in the line up and would also give the roster some flexibility, letting Youkilis do the majority of the DH'ing, while giving ailing or older players the rest of the atbats at DH. This could in itself make up for the difference in the two players stats because of the rest at Dh given to Youkilis and other players to keep them healthy. As I see it, Beltran would make up for most of what is good in Ortiz, and would keep us away from the bad.
     
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    I agree the Sox need to get younger...I think I read somewhere that the Sox are the oldest team in the majors.  No wonder with players like Wake, Varitek and Papi on the roster.  Even the Yanks look young compared to the Sox.  Young players don't tend to break down at the end of the season like those on the Sox seem to do year after year.  Look at TB and see how they compete with young players that almost never go on the DL.
     
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    Beltran is a risk, but the way I see it-

    RF-55 games for Beltran against lefties, 107 starts for Reddck against righties
    DH-107 games for Beltran against righties, 55 games for Lavarnway against lefties

    Seems to me that Beltran would be okay for 55 games in RF.
     
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    Beltran is as good a risk as Drew is at this moment. Sign Ortiz AND PLEASE stay away from Beltran. This guys has done nothing in 3 years now. So please.
     
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    I hope we stay away from everyone who is 34+ years of age, regardless of performance.  It is time to get young.
     
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    Burrito you could not have said it better.   
     
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    In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran:
    [QUOTE]I agree the Sox need to get younger...I think I read somewhere that the Sox are the oldest team in the majors.  No wonder with players like Wake, Varitek and Papi on the roster.  Even the Yanks look young compared to the Sox.  Young players don't tend to break down at the end of the season like those on the Sox seem to do year after year.  Look at TB and see how they compete with young players that almost never go on the DL.
    Posted by traven[/QUOTE]

    The average age of the Sox pitchers was 30.3, second highest in the majors behind the Yankees.

    The average age of a Sox hitter was 30.0, tied with the White Sox for fourth highest, trailing the Giants, Yankees and Phillies...
     
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    In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran : The average age of the Sox pitchers was 30.3, second highest in the majors behind the Yankees. The average age of a Sox hitter was 30.0, tied with the White Sox for fourth highest, trailing the Giants, Yankees and Phillies...
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    Damn, I feel so old now.  lol

    Anyway, the Red Sox should not pursue Beltran.  Beltran's glorious days during his 2004 playoff run as an Astro is in the past. 
     
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    Beltran dropped Scott Boras as his agent.    This could help with a reasonable deal to get him.
     
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    In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran:
    [QUOTE]Beltran is a risk, but the way I see it- RF-55 games for Beltran against lefties, 107 starts for Reddck against righties DH-107 games for Beltran against righties, 55 games for Lavarnway against lefties Seems to me that Beltran would be okay for 55 games in RF.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    I would be fine with adding Beltran to replace Papi if the moneys and years are close to even. While no spring chicken, he's 1 year younger than Papi and he offers more position flexibility in that he can play both corner OF spots and is also switch hitter. His numbers last were pretty close to Papi's while playing a majority of his games in pitchers parks...where his splits showed him to be a better hitter at home than on the road...

    CF Ells
    LF Crawford
    2B Pedrioa
    1B Gonzalez
    3B Youk
    DH Beltran
    RF Kalish?
    C Salty
    SS Scutaro

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/3971/carlos-beltran
     
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    I hope you guys get it, you can always look at the age but there is some wiggle room with some players. Papi is one of those players so STOP saying about letting papi go because you/we all will regret it. Beltran can be great to addition to add some pop in the RF at the right pice. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran:
    [QUOTE]I hope you guys get it, you can always look at the age but there is some wiggle room with some players. Papi is one of those players so STOP saying about letting papi go because you/we all will regret it. Beltran can be great to addition to add some pop in the RF at the right pice. 
    Posted by lhtak[/QUOTE]

    Will you be saying this in 3 years? Cause thats what Papi is going to want. He wants his free year to get paid 10 million and sit on the bench when he's 40. Stop this madness. I love Papi an respect what he's done for the organization. Let him go somewhere else with the respect and dignity he deserves. Forget Beltran. Sign Mike Cuddyer and maybe Sizemore on the cheap.
     
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    I don't get the idea of wanting Sizemore by eschewing older players.

    Yes, Papi might get old and break down in a few years, but Sizemore is even more likely to do that TODAY.

    Beltran over Papi?  Makes sense to me for several reasons. 

    But forget all about Grady Sizemore.  Leave something for the small market teams...
     
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    A year ago, Beltran was Sizemore.  Except five years older.
     
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    Is Ben C going to pull off a "Schilling" around Thanksgiving that will see us playing again in October 2012?
    It may be the ace, the DH, the closer, the 3rd baseman or the new manager, we are going to need one of each before April 2012.
    My guesses:
    Ace--CJ Wilson and # 3 starter-Marcum in trade for Youk
    DH--Beltran
    Closer--from within--Aceves
    Closer--Outside--Madson
    3 rd baseman--from within--Middlebrooks
    3 rd baseman--outside--A.Ramirez
    Manager--Maddox
     
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    In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran:
    [QUOTE]Is Ben C going to pull off a "Schilling" around Thanksgiving that will see us playing again in October 2012? It may be the ace, the DH, the closer, the 3rd baseman or the new manager, we are going to need one of each before April 2012. My guesses: Ace--CJ Wilson and # 3 starter-Marcum in trade for Youk DH--Beltran Closer--from within--Aceves Closer--Outside--Madson 3 rd baseman--from within--Middlebrooks 3 rd baseman--outside--A.Ramirez Manager--Maddox
    Posted by MadMc44[/QUOTE]

    If I had to bet money on things the Sox would or would not do for 2012, here is my guesses:

    • There are no Schilling type rabbits for Cherington to pull out of the hat this offseason. That includes names that were raised like King Felix and Lincecom.
    • The Sox will not play in the big money free agent sweepstakes this year, unless it is to sign their own free agents...Papelbon or Ortiz.
    • The Sox could do a Youk/Marcom trade if the Brewers lose Fielder, but I still think that is unlikely.
    • If Beltran can be had on a 2 year deal for 'fair' money...i.e. under $10M, then he could be a decent fit for RF.
    • Aceves is too valuable as a setup/long relief specialist to become a starter or closer.
    • Middlebrooks is NOT READY...PERIOD...do not rush this kid.
    • Ramirez would be similar deal to Beltran, but they'd do only one of them, if the price was right and Ortiz was not re-signed.
    The Sox are not that far away from making the postseason witht he roster they have...a few tweaks are needed, at CL, DH, RF and SP (or 2) and they are back in the hunt...with a high motivation level to prove that 2011 was a fluke and not the norm.
     
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    Where is Boras these days?

    Platoon with Reddick in RF with occassional DH?

     
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    In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran:
    [QUOTE]A year ago, Beltran was Sizemore.  Except five years older.
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]

    Plus 80 more games played over the previous 3 years (2008-2010 for Beltran), and .140 OPS points higher in that span.

    And the ability to hit right-handed...
     
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    In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran:
    [QUOTE]Is Ben C going to pull off a "Schilling" around Thanksgiving that will see us playing again in October 2012? It may be the ace, the DH, the closer, the 3rd baseman or the new manager, we are going to need one of each before April 2012. My guesses: Ace--CJ Wilson and # 3 starter-Marcum in trade for Youk DH--Beltran Closer--from within--Aceves Closer--Outside--Madson 3 rd baseman--from within--Middlebrooks 3 rd baseman--outside--A.Ramirez Manager--Maddox
    Posted by MadMc44[/QUOTE]

    I really, really, really hope the Sox avoid Aramis Ramirez and CJ Wilson.

    I seriously doubt the Brewers would trade Marcum for Youkilis.   Marcum is arb-eligible and probably looking at about a $5mill paycheck.  Do people honestly think the Brewers are going to trade away the harder player to replace in exchange for someone $8mill more expensive, easier to replace, and coming off injury?   One of the stupidest oft-repeated trade pipe dreams on this web site that does not involve Felix Hernandez.  There is a better chance of me flapping my arms and flying to the moon than of the Brewers GM making that trade...
     
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    Kalish will be the right fielder by June at the latest. He is much better than Reddick, and Reddick will always be a backup outfielder, but not necessarily with the Sox.
    Also please forget Aramaris Ramirez for 3rd base. He will  be overpaid and not productive at all. He is a lazy player with a lackisidial attitude. Heard a reporter from Chicago last week on the radio and he was not kind or had anything good to say about Ramirez.

    Why would the Sox even think about Ramirez, Beltran, or anyone in their mid 30's, who will want huge money, and then break down. The Sox just got out from the Drew contract, so why go back into that situation with some of these types of player's?

    Kalish will be ready by June, possibly sooner, so  wait for him.
     
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    [QUOTE]Beltran dropped Scott Boras as his agent.    This could help with a reasonable deal to get him.
    Posted by OnDeckCircle[/QUOTE]

    Hey, if Beltran could be acquired for a reasonable deal, I am all for it.  I suspect his value will still be over-inflated, even without Boras.  A 2 year deal for 20 total, and I say sign him up.  But anything more than that is crazy.  I doubt Carlos' camp, even without Scotty would go for that.
     
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    Kalish might be trade bait.  If he is, it will be easier for the Sox to sign broken down OF than broken down pitchers.

     
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    Yeah, CJ Wilson, that's the ticket -- big game pitcher (NOT!!!). Floip in ALDS/ALCS/WS -- in TEXAS fa gawd's sake!  Picture him in Boston where every game against the Yanks, Rays, Angels, etc is a playoff game -- I see him making Wake and Lackey look like Cy Young & Smoky Joe Wood.

    In Response to Re: Carlos Beltran:
    [QUOTE]Is Ben C going to pull off a "Schilling" around Thanksgiving that will see us playing again in October 2012? It may be the ace, the DH, the closer, the 3rd baseman or the new manager, we are going to need one of each before April 2012. My guesses: Ace--CJ Wilson and # 3 starter-Marcum in trade for Youk DH--Beltran Closer--from within--Aceves Closer--Outside--Madson 3 rd baseman--from within--Middlebrooks 3 rd baseman--outside--A.Ramirez Manager--Maddox
    Posted by MadMc44[/QUOTE]
     
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    THe important thing is you are judging CJ Wilson on six games spread out over 2 years, a couple of which were actually good.

    Post-season statitistics are generally failry small samples sizes.  It really is usually best to ignore them.  A player who looks bad can have very solid post-season numbers after a good game or two.

    CJ Wilson just looks like a player who is going to get way too much attention this off-season and land himself a potentiall $100mill.  That is alot for a guy with 2 years starting exp.  And simply signing a guy because he is the "best available" is how we go Lackey...
     
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    Re: Carlos Beltran

    Like to see Kubel in right
     

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