Clean up starts with Josh Beckett

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    Re: Clean up starts with Josh Beckett-Ridding clubhouse of stench means he must go

    Everyone here knows that I have always questioned the Beckett extension.

    If you are going to move him NOW is the time since if he goes back to his 2010 performance, he will be untradeable. 

    Everyone here also knows that I have been questioning Lester's maturity for years now......

    The Sox can not afford to have Beckett or Lester influence Matt Barnes in any way, shape, or form.
     
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    Does this mean Jon Lester also must go??? not to mention about Lackey
     
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    I'm not sure I agree that Lester is a problem.  I think he looked up to Beckett too much for his own good, as did Buch. 

    As for Beckett, we loved that brash, arrogant attitude when he was on the mound.  I guess we all hoped it didn't carry over into the clubhouse - but it did. 
    Tito's mistake was in thinking that these overgrown, overpaid kids would act like mature adults.  Many of them, and Beckett is a good example, apparently have been coddled all their lives because of their ability to play baseball so maturity isn't a part of their makeup. 

    The flags were there for Beckett.  We just chose to ignore them.  
     
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    And people thought Buccholz would be the one with character problem.  Remeber the stolen laptops?  I think it was laptops.
     
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    [QUOTE]Andrewmitch: Jack McKeon had to lock the clubhouse doors during the 2003 championship season because Beckett and fellow starting pitcher Brad Penny were spending too much time there during games. Did Schilling in 2007 keep Beckett in line?
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE]

    I heard Beckett mentioned on the news today.  He did the same thing when he played for the Marlins.  Maybe Schilling had an influence on the clubhouse when he played for the Red Sox.   Beckett  definitely had a negative influence on the other starting pitchers, but they didn't have to follow his lead. 
     
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    Package Beckett, Lackey and big Papi together and ship them to the National League. Maybe the Cubs perhaps for something in return.
     
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    [QUOTE]Package Beckett, Lackey and big Papi together and ship them to the National League. Maybe the Cubs perhaps for something in return.
    Posted by antiqueman1[/QUOTE]

    It would be great if Theo could  take these players with him when he leaves for the Cubs. 
     
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    Re: Clean up starts with Josh Beckett-Ridding clubhouse of stench means he must go

    Too bad our farm system is not in good shape.  I'd say let the kids play.

    I think this team needs to be rebuilt or at least re-evaluated position by position.  Who stays, who goes, and who can be used as a replacement.  No one, other than Pedey, is safe.
     
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    I agree, time to let some kids play ... rebuild the culture.  They can still trade Beckett for something useful now, maybe some chicken wings and beer LOL.  But there are other pitchers the Sox can go after too.  
      
     
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    [QUOTE]Does this mean Jon Lester also must go??? not to mention about Lackey
    Posted by seannybboi[/QUOTE]

    Did you read the entire OP?
     
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    Re: Clean up starts with Josh Beckett-Ridding clubhouse of stench means he must go

    wow! The witch hunt continues...

    So let me get this straight. We want, no we must trade Beckett to send a message to the rest of the team that we mean buisness...Because he along with his possey (Lester and Lackey) were chiefly responsbile for the collapse of the 2011 season, due to their lack of work ethic. If what this story implies is true. That the starting pitchers refused to or fail to participate in the clubs mandatory workouts and or didn't keep thmselves in shape during the season and in so doing compromised the team. Question? where was Curt Young who's sloew responsibitly ius to oversee the pitching staff? Did Bard and Papelbon also fall under the malaise and have a little something, something down in the pen during games in September? Clearly something was amiss....

    Fact the culture that existed in the Sox clubhouse was the sole responsibility of the manager, the coaches and his team leaders...the GM and his assistants also played a role too, becasue they had to have known...If indeed the above were treating the clubhouse like their on personal man cave? Then it had to have been ok'd by Francona and if he or Espestein had a problem with it and addressed it with said players and they refused to change their behavior, it is then incumbent on the next level of management to step in and disipline those that were failing to follow a direct order from their supperiors and or failing to follow written club policy. "Drinking on the job" falls under a termitable offense in every job place short of tasting rooms and distilleries not sure that fried chicken and bisquits is a crime.

    In every job that I have worked. The culture and core values starts with the ownership. Who then hires a team of managers. Who's responsibility it is to carry forth his message and insure that all employees understand and perform their duties in accordance to the company's mission statement, adhering to the core values and executing the function outlined in their job descriptions and is not negotiable. When an employee fails to fulfill his job requiremnets then the employee is disiplined with a clear and concise action plan leaving little gray area...Even those with garanteed contracts...

    That said, my fear is that the press with assistance from someone inside the clubhouse is creating a hysteria among the fans by penning stories that aren't factually acurate and are mearly symptoms of the bigger problem. Which appears to be related to lack of leadership and facilitaion of behaviors that were and are detremental to the teams moral. The fix is easy...just not sure that the press is going to allow the process to move forward in the interest of selling news papers...which may have a lasting negetive effect on the franchise and undue all that Henry has built. If you're a free agent, what are the chances that you'll even consider playing in Boston now or in the future and if your currently under contract why would you even consider resigning?

    The prudent coarse of action is too first make the changes in the club policies and then hire a new management team to ensure that those policies are enforced...then once the new skipper and his team are in place...I'd schedule meeting with each player under contract and challenge them to be professionals and honor the commitments they made when they signed their contracts and if any of them fail to come to camp in top shape due to not folowing the clubs offseason program I would find language in their contracts that allowed me to void them and or I would severly fine them...It's about accountability!

     
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    [QUOTE]By John Tomase/Boston Herald D ETROIT — The cesspool that was the Red Sox [ team stats ] clubhouse has been laid bare, and the stench is overpowering. Now begins the toxic cleanup, a job likely to fall to GM-in-waiting Ben Cherington. If there’s a silver lining, it’s that Cherington will have the power to clean house bloodlessly and emotionlessly. It’s a skill the Sox front office admires of Patriots [ team stats ] coach Bill Belichick , who long ago drowned his sentimentality in a tub. But scrubbing the margins won’t cut it. Bid adieu to veterans Tim Wakefield [ stats ] and Jason Varitek [ stats ] if you want — truly altering clubhouse culture requires bigger changes.  And once you start examining the possibilities, all roads lead to the same conclusion: Josh Beckett must go. Whatever chemistry problems plagued the 2011 Red Sox, most trace to the starting pitchers. They were the ones not only drinking beer in the clubhouse during games while the season spun down the toilet, but eating fried chicken and playing video games, too, according to the Globe. They’re the ones who have consistently flouted the concept of team, carrying themselves with an aloofness that breeds resentment. And they’re the ones who failed the team most acutely when it needed them most down the stretch. To be clear, we’re really talking about a gang of three — Beckett, Jon Lester [ stats ] and John Lackey. Clay Buchholz is more like a junior member. Give him better leadership, and he’d get in line. So what are the Red Sox to do? They’d love to rid themselves of Lackey and the roughly $45 million remaining on his contract. But after watching him post the worst full-time ERA in Red Sox history (6.41), who exactly will take him? Even in a bad-contract-for-bad-contract scenario, Lackey’s still nearly impossible to move. The latest clubhouse revelations won’t help his cause either, though he’s more liked than his combative press conferences would suggest. OK, fine. Lackey’s going nowhere. So how about Lester? Simply put, the Red Sox aren’t trading their best pitcher. End of story. Lester’s young (27), talented (16-8, 3.33, on average, since 2008) and more of a follower than a leader. Same goes for Buchholz. Trading him coming off a back injury when his value is low makes little sense, particularly since he’s a mostly harmless clubhouse presence, strumming his guitar, joking around and generally acting like everyone’s little brother. No, the problem is the big brother Buchholz admires. A lack of maturity has long dogged Beckett, but by late 2009 it appeared he had turned the corner. Manager Terry Francona routinely referred to him as the leader of the pitching staff and the other starters followed suit. But Beckett’s act didn’t sit well with the entire team. One veteran complained that Beckett and the other pitchers operated on their own workout schedules. Reporters played an informal clubhouse game wondering when Beckett would talk to a position player. Even former Marlins manager Jack McKeon contributed yesterday when he told the Palm Beach Post he had to lock the clubhouse doors during the 2003 championship season because Beckett and fellow starting pitcher Brad Penny were spending too much time there during games. McKeon wanted them on the bench, where in addition to cheering teammates, they could scout the next day’s opponent. Despite suffering a relapse, Beckett should still have trade value. After all, only 11 pitchers won at least 13 games last year while posting an ERA below 2.90 and Beckett was one of them. Even with $46 million remaining on his contract through 2014, the 31-year-old remains a bona fide high-end starter. Cutting the cord won’t be easy. The Red Sox [ team stats ] lack pitching already. But that just means they’ll need to swing a trade or dive back into free agency. They’ll have all winter to address that deficiency. Their first order of business should be removing the stink from the clubhouse. It will require bold action and nothing would be more shocking than ditching Beckett. It’s why he’s the guy who’s got to go.
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE]

    Only Josh can get his act together.  His pitching with Tek behind the plate is like watching "charle Browns "Linus" with his favorite Blanky" which doesn't make Josh a top notch pitcher like Hallady or Lee who can pitch to anyone.  Without "Linus" he is a frustrated Texan that needs his beer to get over a bad outing.
     
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    [QUOTE]By John Tomase/Boston Herald D ETROIT — The cesspool that was the Red Sox [ team stats ] clubhouse has been laid bare, and the stench is overpowering. Now begins the toxic cleanup, a job likely to fall to GM-in-waiting Ben Cherington. If there’s a silver lining, it’s that Cherington will have the power to clean house bloodlessly and emotionlessly. It’s a skill the Sox front office admires of Patriots [ team stats ] coach Bill Belichick , who long ago drowned his sentimentality in a tub. But scrubbing the margins won’t cut it. Bid adieu to veterans Tim Wakefield [ stats ] and Jason Varitek [ stats ] if you want — truly altering clubhouse culture requires bigger changes.  And once you start examining the possibilities, all roads lead to the same conclusion: Josh Beckett must go. Whatever chemistry problems plagued the 2011 Red Sox, most trace to the starting pitchers. They were the ones not only drinking beer in the clubhouse during games while the season spun down the toilet, but eating fried chicken and playing video games, too, according to the Globe. They’re the ones who have consistently flouted the concept of team, carrying themselves with an aloofness that breeds resentment. And they’re the ones who failed the team most acutely when it needed them most down the stretch. To be clear, we’re really talking about a gang of three — Beckett, Jon Lester [ stats ] and John Lackey. Clay Buchholz is more like a junior member. Give him better leadership, and he’d get in line. So what are the Red Sox to do? They’d love to rid themselves of Lackey and the roughly $45 million remaining on his contract. But after watching him post the worst full-time ERA in Red Sox history (6.41), who exactly will take him? Even in a bad-contract-for-bad-contract scenario, Lackey’s still nearly impossible to move. The latest clubhouse revelations won’t help his cause either, though he’s more liked than his combative press conferences would suggest. OK, fine. Lackey’s going nowhere. So how about Lester? Simply put, the Red Sox aren’t trading their best pitcher. End of story. Lester’s young (27), talented (16-8, 3.33, on average, since 2008) and more of a follower than a leader. Same goes for Buchholz. Trading him coming off a back injury when his value is low makes little sense, particularly since he’s a mostly harmless clubhouse presence, strumming his guitar, joking around and generally acting like everyone’s little brother. No, the problem is the big brother Buchholz admires. A lack of maturity has long dogged Beckett, but by late 2009 it appeared he had turned the corner. Manager Terry Francona routinely referred to him as the leader of the pitching staff and the other starters followed suit. But Beckett’s act didn’t sit well with the entire team. One veteran complained that Beckett and the other pitchers operated on their own workout schedules. Reporters played an informal clubhouse game wondering when Beckett would talk to a position player. Even former Marlins manager Jack McKeon contributed yesterday when he told the Palm Beach Post he had to lock the clubhouse doors during the 2003 championship season because Beckett and fellow starting pitcher Brad Penny were spending too much time there during games. McKeon wanted them on the bench, where in addition to cheering teammates, they could scout the next day’s opponent. Despite suffering a relapse, Beckett should still have trade value. After all, only 11 pitchers won at least 13 games last year while posting an ERA below 2.90 and Beckett was one of them. Even with $46 million remaining on his contract through 2014, the 31-year-old remains a bona fide high-end starter. Cutting the cord won’t be easy. The Red Sox [ team stats ] lack pitching already. But that just means they’ll need to swing a trade or dive back into free agency. They’ll have all winter to address that deficiency. Their first order of business should be removing the stink from the clubhouse. It will require bold action and nothing would be more shocking than ditching Beckett. It’s why he’s the guy who’s got to go.
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     Wow,  Josh Beckett was the next best thing to mom's apple pie a few months ago.  Now we have to get rid of him?    It is amazing to think that but for Elsbury running into the wall, and Papelbon not getting the save in the last game, none of this would be going on.   And all of you high and mighty and what have you done for me lately complainers are probably hoisting your beers as you are complaining.  What went on the Sox clubhouse is no different than so many other ball clubs, but to simply trash the team, and Francona, is ridiculous.    The clean up starts with erasing all that went on this year and starting anew with a clean slate, but that clean slate doesn't mean getting rid of all the players.   Clean up starts with Josh Beckett-Ridding clubhouse of stench means he must go:
    [QUOTE]By John Tomase/Boston Herald D ETROIT — The cesspool that was the Red Sox [ team stats ] clubhouse has been laid bare, and the stench is overpowering. Now begins the toxic cleanup, a job likely to fall to GM-in-waiting Ben Cherington. If there’s a silver lining, it’s that Cherington will have the power to clean house bloodlessly and emotionlessly. It’s a skill the Sox front office admires of Patriots [ team stats ] coach Bill Belichick , who long ago drowned his sentimentality in a tub. But scrubbing the margins won’t cut it. Bid adieu to veterans Tim Wakefield [ stats ] and Jason Varitek [ stats ] if you want — truly altering clubhouse culture requires bigger changes.  And once you start examining the possibilities, all roads lead to the same conclusion: Josh Beckett must go. Whatever chemistry problems plagued the 2011 Red Sox, most trace to the starting pitchers. They were the ones not only drinking beer in the clubhouse during games while the season spun down the toilet, but eating fried chicken and playing video games, too, according to the Globe. They’re the ones who have consistently flouted the concept of team, carrying themselves with an aloofness that breeds resentment. And they’re the ones who failed the team most acutely when it needed them most down the stretch. To be clear, we’re really talking about a gang of three — Beckett, Jon Lester [ stats ] and John Lackey. Clay Buchholz is more like a junior member. Give him better leadership, and he’d get in line. So what are the Red Sox to do? They’d love to rid themselves of Lackey and the roughly $45 million remaining on his contract. But after watching him post the worst full-time ERA in Red Sox history (6.41), who exactly will take him? Even in a bad-contract-for-bad-contract scenario, Lackey’s still nearly impossible to move. The latest clubhouse revelations won’t help his cause either, though he’s more liked than his combative press conferences would suggest. OK, fine. Lackey’s going nowhere. So how about Lester? Simply put, the Red Sox aren’t trading their best pitcher. End of story. Lester’s young (27), talented (16-8, 3.33, on average, since 2008) and more of a follower than a leader. Same goes for Buchholz. Trading him coming off a back injury when his value is low makes little sense, particularly since he’s a mostly harmless clubhouse presence, strumming his guitar, joking around and generally acting like everyone’s little brother. No, the problem is the big brother Buchholz admires. A lack of maturity has long dogged Beckett, but by late 2009 it appeared he had turned the corner. Manager Terry Francona routinely referred to him as the leader of the pitching staff and the other starters followed suit. But Beckett’s act didn’t sit well with the entire team. One veteran complained that Beckett and the other pitchers operated on their own workout schedules. Reporters played an informal clubhouse game wondering when Beckett would talk to a position player. Even former Marlins manager Jack McKeon contributed yesterday when he told the Palm Beach Post he had to lock the clubhouse doors during the 2003 championship season because Beckett and fellow starting pitcher Brad Penny were spending too much time there during games. McKeon wanted them on the bench, where in addition to cheering teammates, they could scout the next day’s opponent. Despite suffering a relapse, Beckett should still have trade value. After all, only 11 pitchers won at least 13 games last year while posting an ERA below 2.90 and Beckett was one of them. Even with $46 million remaining on his contract through 2014, the 31-year-old remains a bona fide high-end starter. Cutting the cord won’t be easy. The Red Sox [ team stats ] lack pitching already. But that just means they’ll need to swing a trade or dive back into free agency. They’ll have all winter to address that deficiency. Their first order of business should be removing the stink from the clubhouse. It will require bold action and nothing would be more shocking than ditching Beckett. It’s why he’s the guy who’s got to go.
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    It is rather amazing how Beckett has become the poster child for the which hunt. He had a 2.89 ERA in 2011. His WHIP for a starter was an outstanding 1.026. He made 30 of a possible 32 starts for the RS. He had a tough September going 1-2 in for 4 starts.

    Let's dump Youk for being annoying, A-Gon for thinking it was 'God's will' and Pedey for being percieved as Francona's lap dog. And by all means let's trade Ellsbury right now!
     
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    [QUOTE]It is rather amazing how Beckett has become the poster child for the which hunt. He had a 2.89 ERA in 2011. His WHIP for a starter was an outstanding 1.026. He made 30 of a possible 32 starts for the RS. He had a tough September going 1-2 in for 4 starts. Let's dump Youk for being annoying, A-Gon for thinking it was 'God's will' and Pedey for being percieved as Francona's lap dog. And by all means let's trade Ellsbury right now!
    Posted by fivekatz[/QUOTE]

    LOL, Beckett is the "flavor of the Day" scapegoat. The forum can't function without scapegoating specific players since it would be no fun to scapegoat 25 players collectively.
     
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    Beckett is just having a drinking problem.  But I would still rather to have him over Bucholtz or Lackey who both may not ever win more than 15 games a season in their career as well both of them could lose easily over 10 games a year. 

    Look at Florida who got rid of Beckett which probably that was because Florida may think he is a cancer to the club.  But since Beckett/Lowell got traded, Florida never became a world series contender.  So do you think Florida regretted that trade.  Hanley is a far worser teammate than Beckett!!  

    Really, we do not want to get rid most of the starting pitching staffs right away cuz that mean Boston have to rebuild half of the starting staffs all over again. How we will know that at least two to three new incoming guys can be able to pitch well in the tough city of Boston?  

    I would trade Lackey first, and if he is dealt, then I would leave the other guys alone on the rotation.  Just bring in a new incoming free agent pitcher.  
     
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    One of the reasons Theo cited for giving Beckett that ridiculous extension 162 games too soon is that "Beckett is the leader of the pitching staff" and that "he will mentor the younger pitchers".

    Just another huge mistake that Theo is leaving behind
     
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    I am not kidding. I went to a game, August, this summer on the left coast. Met up with a long time buddy at the park. He's with a former student of his who is a pro-MLB scout. THe scout said to me that Becket looked so fare out of shape that he was a disgrace to professional athletes in every sport. He also pointed out that the team was playing lazy baseball as though the teams coaches and management had quit. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Clean up starts with Josh Beckett-Ridding clubhouse of stench means he must go : LOL, Beckett is the "flavor of the Day" scapegoat. The forum can't function without scapegoating specific players since it would be no fun to scapegoat 25 players collectively.
    Posted by UticaClub[/QUOTE]

    yup.  But, it would be foolish to expect anything else.  

    No doubt Beckett's wings n' tall boy fest showed distinct lack of team spirit and leadership.  But, as has been said repeatedly but drowned out in the din of the witch hunt, this kind of behavior ain't exactly new in the majors.  That is not a justification, just some perspective before people talk about running the best pitcher the Sox have out of town.  Does he need an attitude adjustment?  Yes.   Things obviously deteriorated for many on this club.  But, lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.  Same thing, in my view, for all the people calling for Ortiz' stake burning because of his recent interview.  Seriously, the dude has lost the easy going charm of his heyday Big papi persona.  But that started to crumble a few years back anyway.  Him expressing a desire to get out of the drama or expressing that the door would be open to playing for the Yankees (and he was prompted anyway: the media scock jocks would be remiss if they didn't try to get a Sox player to express a willingness or unwillingness to don the pinstripes when their contract is up) is no reason to run him out of town.  ridiculous.  Dude had an OPS north of .950.  Now, he could price himself out of town, fine.  But all the calling for heads is really short-sighted.
     
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    In Response to Re: Clean up starts with Josh Beckett-Ridding clubhouse of stench means he must go:
    [QUOTE]It is rather amazing how Beckett has become the poster child for the which hunt. He had a 2.89 ERA in 2011. His WHIP for a starter was an outstanding 1.026. He made 30 of a possible 32 starts for the RS. He had a tough September going 1-2 in for 4 starts. Let's dump Youk for being annoying, A-Gon for thinking it was 'God's will' and Pedey for being percieved as Francona's lap dog. And by all means let's trade Ellsbury right now!
    Posted by fivekatz[/QUOTE]

    I agree...in an offseason where perhaps the biggest challenge personnel-wise is going to be shoring up a suspect rotation, somehow I don't think trading the guy with the sub-3 ERA is going to be the answer. Beckett pitched some of the best games of his career this season...is it naive to think that, with better conditioning and a more strict manager who will light a fire under his azz, he can be straightened out and can continue to be one of the better pitchers in the league for the remainder of his contract? 
     
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    Re: Clean up starts with Josh Beckett-Ridding clubhouse of stench means he must go


    WITCH HUNT?

    NO!  While it is self evident that Lackey MUST GO, it is also self evident that the clubhouse behavior MUST CHANGE!

    Perhaps Beckett should go?  Perhaps he is incapable of controlling his entitlement frat boy behavior?  If he is indeed the ring leader, & he will not step up & show some leadership for his idol worshiping young teammates, he may in fact NEED to go.  HE WOULD be excellent trade bait!  I honestly hope he is capable of change, & can recommit to ALL of his TEAMMATES!  If not?  The Sox can certainly let him go!

    I am convinced that Lackey is the bigger CANCER for this pitching staff.  I have noticed a complete change of attitude ever since he was rolled out in ST the season before last.  "THE THREE HORSEMEN?" anybody???? The off the charts cocky swagger before doing a GD thing literally turned my stomach!! I couldn't stand the guy before he came here, & my attitude toward him has gone rapidly down hill since, 

    LACKEY is the ringleader!  LACKEY MUST GO!!!!  AT ANY COST!!!!!!
     
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    Re: Clean up starts with Josh Beckett-Ridding clubhouse of stench means he must go

    Why not try to trade him with his sub 3 ERA?  YOu might get some real value.  If you can't move him for the right price.  Read him the riot act and tell him he is pitching for his career.  Because he will be.
     

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