crazy thoughts on the trade market front...

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    A few other guys down the list who I think could really move up the rankings in a year or 3 are Wendell Rijo, Raphael Devers, and Jose Almonte.  

     
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    This true, but I think any team would have a drop off from 1-2 if Xander Bogaerts headlined their system....except maybe the twins who have Buxton and Sano.

    But I think we tremendous depth as well with a few other guys who have a chance of becoming "blue chippers" 

    Cecchini could really rise his stock if his power develops (which I'm not overly optimistic about) but a few guys further down the list have pretty high ceilings as well, such as Trey Ball, Jon Denney, and Manuel Margot (who I'm particularly high on)

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    I'm fine with the limited power, if he can keep up that shockingly awesome OBP.

     
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    A few other guys down the list who I think could really move up the rankings in a year or 3 are Wendell Rijo, Raphael Devers, and Jose Almonte.  

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    Agreed.

    Others...

    #16 Stanliewicz at 19 could rise high.

    #19 Jon Denny at 19 as well.

    #22 is 21 year old Luis Diaz coming off an very good year.

    #24 Callahan (19 years old)

    #36 McGrath (19 years old)

     

    A couple sleepers?

    33 Simon Mercedes and 34 Sergio Gomez

     
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
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    This true, but I think any team would have a drop off from 1-2 if Xander Bogaerts headlined their system....except maybe the twins who have Buxton and Sano.

    But I think we tremendous depth as well with a few other guys who have a chance of becoming "blue chippers" 

    Cecchini could really rise his stock if his power develops (which I'm not overly optimistic about) but a few guys further down the list have pretty high ceilings as well, such as Trey Ball, Jon Denney, and Manuel Margot (who I'm particularly high on)

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    I'm fine with the limited power, if he can keep up that shockingly awesome OBP.

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    Me too, if he keeps up those numbers he will be in batting title territory and a league leader in OBP.  Heck if he could even reach 15 HRs that would be amazing.  The amount of players who can even hit 30 HRs has become a rare commodity.

     
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    14 hit 30+ and only 10 hit more than 30.

     
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    When the sox traded #38th prospect to the White sox he immediately became a Chicago top ten.

    When was Brandon Jacobs ranked 38th in the Red Sox system?

    SoxProspects ranked Jacobs 18th in April this year after three times ranking Jacobs among the Top 10 Red Sox prospects:

    http://www.soxprospects.com/history.htm

     
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    So now that the Yankees have signed McCann I'm rooting for Cano to travel on! I know the Sox aren't in on him because they just signed Pedey for an additional 8 years, so the logical landing spot for Cano is the city of Angels and the Dodgers! I would have said Texas but with the trading for Fielder it might be a bit cumbersome for them to take on Robbie's enormous contract demands. We could even help the Dodgers out by taking Kemp off their hands, which might allow them just enough space to steal him away from the Yankees!

    Another player the Sox should be in play for is Tanaka, when and if the MLB and NPB can agree on a new agreement. If I were Ben C. I'd make sure the bidding got up past the Yankees abilities, Then though the Yankees migh be able too mash on given nights thry would be running out retreads every night to pitch, and since they have'nt re-signed either Hughes or Kuroda and Pettite has retired their Starting pitching is AAA at best, and with Rivera retired their bullpen isn't any better than their SP, even Joba the mutt is on his way to parts unknown, their only good Lefty Boone Logan was being persued by several teams last time I read anything about him, so with that in mind the best way to kill the Yankees is to keep pitching from landing in their range....

     
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

    When the sox traded #38th prospect to the White sox he immediately became a Chicago top ten.

    When was Brandon Jacobs ranked 38th in the Red Sox system?

    SoxProspects ranked Jacobs 18th in April this year after three times ranking Jacobs among the Top 10 Red Sox prospects:

    http://www.soxprospects.com/history.htm

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    That was the beginning of the year rankings....sox prospects update their rankings almost weekly

     
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

    When the sox traded #38th prospect to the White sox he immediately became a Chicago top ten.

    When was Brandon Jacobs ranked 38th in the Red Sox system?

    SoxProspects ranked Jacobs 18th in April this year after three times ranking Jacobs among the Top 10 Red Sox prospects:

    http://www.soxprospects.com/history.htm

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    http://news.soxprospects.com/2013/07/red-sox-acquire-thornton-from-white-sox.html

     
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    So now that the Yankees have signed McCann I'm rooting for Cano to travel on! I know the Sox aren't in on him because they just signed Pedey for an additional 8 years, so the logical landing spot for Cano is the city of Angels and the Dodgers! I would have said Texas but with the trading for Fielder it might be a bit cumbersome for them to take on Robbie's enormous contract demands. We could even help the Dodgers out by taking Kemp off their hands, which might allow them just enough space to steal him away from the Yankees!

    The Dodgers signed a 2b Alexander Geurrero for 4 years and 28M. I dont think Cano is in their plans.

     
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    The Mets would not mind taking Cano from the Yankees.

     
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    Globe columnist Nick Cafardo today again raised the specter of Red Sox trade for Mark Trumbo:

    2. The Angels could still be a strong trade partner with the Red Sox even after the Peter Bourjos-David Freese deal. The Sox, who have an interest in first baseman Mike Trumbo, could be tempted on power reliever Kevin Jepsen. The Angels would love to get a starting pitcher.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/24/robinson-cano-not-being-shopped-well/9BqX7m3aOsFUndWoWohhFO/story.html

    Cafardo apparently was undeterred by Chad Finn's column last week:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2013/11/sunday_mail_mark_trumbo.html

     
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    The Mets would not mind taking Cano from the Yankees.

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    i'd like that. Cano means no Ellsbury for the Mets.

     
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    There is zero chance Demster clears waivers.  The trend this off-season is to move on existing deals instead of more costly newer ones.  In this respect, Dempster and especially Lackey, have very significant appeal.

    How does Ryan Dempster and his $13.25 million contract stack up with Dan Haren and his reported one-year, $10 million (plus incentives) contract with the Dodgers?

    The 36-year-old Dempster this year was valued at 1.3 WAR* in 32 appearances, including 29 starts.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=517&position=P

    The 33-year-old Haren was valued at 1.5 WAR in 31 appearances, including 30 starts.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1757&position=P

    The 2014 Steamer** projections favor Haren significantly, in part because Dempster is projected at only 10 starts.

    * Wins Above Replacement as reported at FanGraphs

    ** http://steamerprojections.com/blog/about/

     
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    In response to notin's comment:

    There is zero chance Demster clears waivers.  The trend this off-season is to move on existing deals instead of more costly newer ones.  In this respect, Dempster and especially Lackey, have very significant appeal.

    How does Ryan Dempster and his $13.25 million contract stack up with Dan Haren and his reported one-year, $10 million (plus incentives) contract with the Dodgers?

    The 36-year-old Dempster this year was valued at 1.3 WAR* in 32 appearances, including 29 starts.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=517&position=P

    The 33-year-old Haren was valued at 1.5 WAR in 31 appearances, including 30 starts.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1757&position=P

    The 2014 Steamer** projections favor Haren significantly, in part because Dempster is projected at only 10 starts.

    * Wins Above Replacement as reported at FanGraphs

    ** http://steamerprojections.com/blog/about/

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    So is your argument that all trades are evalauted agaist one season of WAR?  Unless more are needed to prove your point?

    If anything, that deal proves how valuable Dempster is.

    Haren has struggled and been worth a whopping 3.3 WAR over the past 2 seasons, or about what Dempster was worth in 2012 alone.  I look at it this way.

     

    Snce 2011:

    Haren: 84ERA+ and signed for $10mill (plus oft-ignored incentives)

    Vargas: 97ERA+, signed for $32mill

    Dempster: 104ERA+, signed for only $13.25mill.

     

    Despite how bad you want to paint it, Dempster is not a bad pitcher and would not clear waivers if exposed.

     
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    Re: crazy thoughts on the trade market front...

    In response to hill55's comment:
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    In response to notin's comment:

    There is zero chance Demster clears waivers.  The trend this off-season is to move on existing deals instead of more costly newer ones.  In this respect, Dempster and especially Lackey, have very significant appeal.

    How does Ryan Dempster and his $13.25 million contract stack up with Dan Haren and his reported one-year, $10 million (plus incentives) contract with the Dodgers?

    The 36-year-old Dempster this year was valued at 1.3 WAR* in 32 appearances, including 29 starts.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=517&position=P

    The 33-year-old Haren was valued at 1.5 WAR in 31 appearances, including 30 starts.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1757&position=P

    The 2014 Steamer** projections favor Haren significantly, in part because Dempster is projected at only 10 starts.

    * Wins Above Replacement as reported at FanGraphs

    ** http://steamerprojections.com/blog/about/

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    """might be willing to take less to stay near his family on the West Coast."""

    Thats a quote from a sports writer. He had as his two finalists supposedly both L.A. teams. Born, raised and went to college in Cali. Not sure what he settled for in L.A. is a great comp.

     
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    Zero chance the Mets will sign Cano.

    Zero chance the Red will trade Hannigan for Demspter. 

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    Over / under on this name?

     
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    Zero chance the Mets will sign Cano.

    Zero chance the Red will trade Hannigan for Demspter

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    Actually, it is the Sox who would not make that trade.   They are more likely to hold all 6 starters into March, since certain lessons have been learned.  By that time, Hanigan will probably not be a Red anymore...

     
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    Despite how bad you want to paint it, Dempster is not a bad pitcher and would not clear waivers if exposed.

    From Wednesday's FanGraphs chat with columnist Dave Cameron:

    Wednesday November 27, 2013 

    12:16  hickory nc: If waivers were available, what are the chances that Boston righthander Ryan Dempster would clear waivers with one year and $13.25 million left on his contract?   

    12:16 Dave Cameron:  He'd clear easily. 

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-chat-112713/  

    I still hold notin's work in high regard.

     
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    Re: crazy thoughts on the trade market front...

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    Despite how bad you want to paint it, Dempster is not a bad pitcher and would not clear waivers if exposed.

    From Wednesday's FanGraphs chat with columnist Dave Cameron:

    12:16 [ Comment From hickory nc hickory nc:  ]  If waivers were available, what are the chances that Boston righthander Ryan Dempster would clear waivers with one year and $13.25 million left on his contract?   Wednesday November 27, 2013  12:16  hickory nc 12:16 Dave Cameron:  He'd clear easily.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-chat-112713/   I still hold notin's work in high regard.[/QUOTE]

    Is it really surprising that a "stat guy" like Cameron thinks that a guy who brings a ton of intangibles to the table like Dempster would clear waivers?  Curt Schilling was saying last week how you can't put a value on what Dempster brings to a team outside of the "stats."

     By the way, Cameron might want to avoid making any predictions about Sox players.  Before 2011, he predicted the Sox would win the Series, Lester would win the Cy Young & Carl Crawford would have a higher "WAR" than Adrian Gonzalez, but Gonzalez would win MVP.  We all know how that worked out.  Nothing against Cameron, but I think he is wrong here.

     
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    Re: crazy thoughts on the trade market front...

    In response to hill55's comment:
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    In response to notin's comment:

    Despite how bad you want to paint it, Dempster is not a bad pitcher and would not clear waivers if exposed.

    From Wednesday's FanGraphs chat with columnist Dave Cameron:

    Wednesday November 27, 2013 

    12:16  hickory nc: If waivers were available, what are the chances that Boston righthander Ryan Dempster would clear waivers with one year and $13.25 million left on his contract?   

    12:16 Dave Cameron:  He'd clear easily. 

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-chat-112713/  

    I still hold notin's work in high regard.

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    Any word from Cameron on when Seattle might win their first World Championship ? 

     

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