Do the Math

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    When the offense puts runs up early and

    scores 4 or more earned runs, they are

    17-3.

    When the offense scores 3 earned runs or

    less, they are 1-17

    When the Red Sox pitch great, 3 runs or less, they are 7-5 (few games will be pitching duels which the Red Sox will lose most of those with current fatal flaw)

    Red Sox in AL/DL/Fenway aren't going to be playing a bunch of pitching duel games, even with the best pitchers in baseball on the embarrassingly bloated with poor value payroll. Their winning identity is a more capable offense in the kind of individual games with plenty of runs scored that they will usually be involved in, not due to poor pitching, but due to AL/DH/Fenway.

    Good pitching by the Red Sox, yesterday, but a loss due to poor plate work. Without a consistent offense they will continue to manifest the zero playoff wins and near half a billion InEpstein construction.
     
    Early and solid hitting for the Red Sox. Poor pitching. Nice to see the identity of this team working wins.

    Oakland, May 1, 2012   Pitching was fair for a Fenway/DH-AL game, offense was pitiful.

    Oakland, May 2, 2012  Pitching was good in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense was pitiful. Good pitching, and another loss.

    O's, May 4, 2012  Pitching was good, only 4 runs through 9 in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense is unable to score more than 3 earned runs. Another loss. 

    O's, May 5, 2012 After 3 straight games of good pitching for each game, the pitching has a bad game and the pitiful offense continues to produce a string of pitiful offensive production games.

    O's, May 6, 2012 A rarity, the Red Sox score more than 3 earned runs but lose

    @ KC May 7, 2012 Offense wins one again

    @ KC May 8, 2012 Offense is pitiful v great J. Duffy and scores 3 ER Loss

    @ KC May 9, 2012 Good pitching but the Offense is pathetic against the great Bruce Chen 3 ER Loss

    Clev May 10, 2012 Offense a pitiful 3 ER v. Old journeyman Lowe

    Clev May 11, 2012  Offense Wins it and pitching with 4 ER is Good (People whine about the pitching in this game is pitiful) 

    Clev May 12, 2012 Offense hit magic number 4 ER and staff has a great pitching game

    Clev May 13, 2012 Offense scores early and carries the pitching to a huge cushion. The offense is the identity. It carries the pitching, not the other way around.

    Clev May 14, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and one of the two decent starters needed to succeed in regular season and post season with winning identity pitches well

    Clev May 15, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and pitching staff gets cushion to ease pressure and produce shutout

    @ Tampa May 16, 2012 Pitching losing identity poster child, offense is pitiful and pitching is outstanding to produce a loss

    @ Tampa May 17, 2012 Offense scores 3 early and reaches the magic number of 4 earned runs and scores 5 earned runs. Had the pitching been outstanding and the offense in pitiful game mode, the Red Sox would have lost this game for near certainty. The offense always sets the winning identity tone for the Red Sox, as this game paradigmed.

    @ Phily May 18, 2012 A rarity, Offense reaches 4 earned runs and loses. But it's no suprise that Lefty for Phillies got a rare win in a game where the Red Sox scored 4 earned runs

    @ Phily May 19, 2012 Poster child game, Red Sox offense, no suprise, handles Blanton and Red Sox win despite subpar pitching staff game performance
    (Note: This offense, as constructed, will never put up the consistent offense needed for the Red Sox winning identity that management is oblivious to)

    Red Sox win or lose with the identity that doesn't fit the archaic cliche of many years ago, in the AL. Drones are like apes, except apes are much more intelligent.

    The Red Sox need to start working on acquiring Justin Upton, via trade market. Until such time as Cherry sobers up, Youk needs to be put in LF, Middlebrooks remains at 3B, and Ross (not the everyday RH star bat answer) needs to platoon with Sweeney. Ross is a horrible fielder, so Byrd will need to stay in CF for the time being. 

    "The Red Sox lead the league in nearly every offensive category, it's the pitching". No it aint!
     
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    Do the math?

    Okay.

    5+1=7

    3+9=13

    17-16=11

    The square root of PI are round...DAMMIT!!! I'm never gonna' get the hang of this $#!7...

    Oh, well.
     
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    Only softy can call a 7-5 game a "poster child" for his theory that our hitting needs fixing and our pitching is fine.
     
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    [QUOTE](x^n-y^n)/(x-y) = (x-y)(x^n-1 + yx^n-2 + yx^n-3 = (x-y)^2 now what? ------------------------------------- Curt Schilling Deadbeat Fraud
    Posted by bellhorn_[/QUOTE]

    Mass destruction?
     
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    We're 2 five run games away from a median runs scored of 5.

    We're 4 six run games away from a median runs scored of 6.

    We are now 5-1 in games where our staff has let up 5 runs. The league norm is about 2-4, and softy picks tonight's game as his "poster child" moment. Will the silliness ever cease?
     
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    When the offense puts runs up early and

    scores 4 or more earned runs, they are

    18-3.

    When the offense scores 3 earned runs or

    less, they are 1-17

    When the Red Sox pitch great, 3 runs or less, they are 7-5 (few games will be pitching duels which the Red Sox will lose most of those with current fatal flaw)

    Red Sox in AL/DL/Fenway aren't going to be playing a bunch of pitching duel games, even with the best pitchers in baseball on the embarrassingly bloated with poor value payroll. Their winning identity is a more capable offense in the kind of individual games with plenty of runs scored that they will usually be involved in, not due to poor pitching, but due to AL/DH/Fenway.

    Good pitching by the Red Sox, yesterday, but a loss due to poor plate work. Without a consistent offense they will continue to manifest the zero playoff wins and near half a billion InEpstein construction.
     
    Early and solid hitting for the Red Sox. Poor pitching. Nice to see the identity of this team working wins.

    Oakland, May 1, 2012   Pitching was fair for a Fenway/DH-AL game, offense was pitiful.

    Oakland, May 2, 2012  Pitching was good in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense was pitiful. Good pitching, and another loss.

    O's, May 4, 2012  Pitching was good, only 4 runs through 9 in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense is unable to score more than 3 earned runs. Another loss. 

    O's, May 5, 2012 After 3 straight games of good pitching for each game, the pitching has a bad game and the pitiful offense continues to produce a string of pitiful offensive production games.

    O's, May 6, 2012 A rarity, the Red Sox score more than 3 earned runs but lose

    @ KC May 7, 2012 Offense wins one again

    @ KC May 8, 2012 Offense is pitiful v great J. Duffy and scores 3 ER Loss

    @ KC May 9, 2012 Good pitching but the Offense is pathetic against the great Bruce Chen 3 ER Loss

    Clev May 10, 2012 Offense a pitiful 3 ER v. Old journeyman Lowe

    Clev May 11, 2012  Offense Wins it and pitching with 4 ER is Good (People whine about the pitching in this game is pitiful) 

    Clev May 12, 2012 Offense hit magic number 4 ER and staff has a great pitching game

    Clev May 13, 2012 Offense scores early and carries the pitching to a huge cushion. The offense is the identity. It carries the pitching, not the other way around.

    Clev May 14, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and one of the two decent starters needed to succeed in regular season and post season with winning identity pitches well

    Clev May 15, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and pitching staff gets cushion to ease pressure and produce shutout

    @ Tampa May 16, 2012 Pitching losing identity poster child, offense is pitiful and pitching is outstanding to produce a loss

    @ Tampa May 17, 2012 Offense scores 3 early and reaches the magic number of 4 earned runs and scores 5 earned runs. Had the pitching been outstanding and the offense in pitiful game mode, the Red Sox would have lost this game for near certainty. The offense always sets the winning identity tone for the Red Sox, as this game paradigmed.

    @ Phily May 18, 2012 A rarity, Offense reaches 4 earned runs and loses. But it's no suprise that Lefty for Phillies got a rare win in a game where the Red Sox scored 4 earned runs

    @ Phily May 19, 2012 Poster child game, Red Sox offense, no suprise, handles Blanton and Red Sox win despite subpar pitching staff game performance
    (Note: This offense, as constructed, will never put up the consistent offense needed for the Red Sox winning identity that management is oblivious to)

    @ Phily May 19, 2012  Offense scores early and scores 5 earned runs, taking game pressure off the pitching staff and putting on the Phillies. Ditto
    Red Sox win or lose with the identity that doesn't fit the archaic cliche of many years ago, in the AL. Drones are like apes, except apes are much more intelligent.

    The Red Sox need to start working on acquiring Justin Upton, via trade market. Until such time as Cherry sobers up, Youk needs to be put in LF, Middlebrooks remains at 3B, and Ross (not the everyday RH star bat answer) needs to platoon with Sweeney. Ross is a horrible fielder, so Byrd will need to stay in CF for the time being. 

    "The Red Sox lead the league in nearly every offensive category, it's the pitching". No it aint!
     
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    Same old drivel.

    When we score more than the Opps, we win... brilliant!

    We are now 1 five run game away from a median of 5, and yet we still are not at .500. Our median was 4 last year and we were 8 games over .500. 

    Somehow softy can twist this into it being the hitter's fault.

    Yes, we've lost 1.5 more games than we should have in low scoring games by our staff, but we have won 2 more than we should have when the staff let's up 5+ runs. Check all the game logs. Not just a select few. Don't be lazy. Do the math.

     
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    [QUOTE]When the offense puts runs up early and scores 4 or more earned runs, they are 18-3. When the offense scores 3 earned runs or less, they are 1-17 When the Red Sox pitch great, 3 runs or less, they are 7-5 (few games will be pitching duels which the Red Sox will lose most of those with current fatal flaw) Red Sox in AL/DL/Fenway aren't going to be playing a bunch of pitching duel games, even with the best pitchers in baseball on the embarrassingly bloated with poor value payroll. Their winning identity is a more capable offense in the kind of individual games with plenty of runs scored that they will usually be involved in, not due to poor pitching, but due to AL/DH/Fenway. Good pitching by the Red Sox, yesterday, but a loss due to poor plate work. Without a consistent offense they will continue to manifest the zero playoff wins and near half a billion InEpstein construction.   Early and solid hitting for the Red Sox. Poor pitching. Nice to see the identity of this team working wins. Oakland, May 1, 2012   Pitching was fair for a Fenway/DH-AL game, offense was pitiful. Oakland, May 2, 2012  Pitching was good in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense was pitiful. Good pitching, and another loss. O's, May 4, 2012  Pitching was good, only 4 runs through 9 in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense is unable to score more than 3 earned runs. Another loss.  O's, May 5, 2012 After 3 straight games of good pitching for each game, the pitching has a bad game and the pitiful offense continues to produce a string of pitiful offensive production games. O's, May 6, 2012 A rarity, the Red Sox score more than 3 earned runs but lose @ KC May 7, 2012 Offense wins one again @ KC May 8, 2012 Offense is pitiful v great J. Duffy and scores 3 ER Loss @ KC May 9, 2012 Good pitching but the Offense is pathetic against the great Bruce Chen 3 ER Loss Clev May 10, 2012 Offense a pitiful 3 ER v. Old journeyman Lowe Clev May 11, 2012  Offense Wins it and pitching with 4 ER is Good (People whine about the pitching in this game is pitiful)  Clev May 12, 2012 Offense hit magic number 4 ER and staff has a great pitching game Clev May 13, 2012 Offense scores early and carries the pitching to a huge cushion. The offense is the identity. It carries the pitching, not the other way around. Clev May 14, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and one of the two decent starters needed to succeed in regular season and post season with winning identity pitches well Clev May 15, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and pitching staff gets cushion to ease pressure and produce shutout @ Tampa May 16, 2012 Pitching losing identity poster child, offense is pitiful and pitching is outstanding to produce a loss @ Tampa May 17, 2012 Offense scores 3 early and reaches the magic number of 4 earned runs and scores 5 earned runs. Had the pitching been outstanding and the offense in pitiful game mode, the Red Sox would have lost this g ame for near certainty. The offense always sets the winning identity tone for the Red Sox, as this game paradigmed. @ Phily May 18, 2012 A rarity, Offense reaches 4 earned runs and loses. But it's no suprise that Lefty for Phillies got a rare win in a game where the Red Sox scored 4 earned runs @ Phily May 19, 2012 Poster child game, Red Sox offense, no suprise, handles Blanton and Red Sox win despite subpar pitching staff game performance (Note: This offense, as constructed, will never put up the consistent offense needed for the Red Sox winning identity that management is oblivious to) @ Phily May 19, 2012  Offense scores early and scores 5 earned runs, taking game pressure off the pitching staff and putting on the Phillies. Ditto Red Sox win or lose with the identity that doesn't fit the archaic cliche of many years ago, in the AL. Drones are like apes, except apes are much more intelligent. The Red Sox need to start working on acquiring Justin Upton, via trade market. Until such time as Cherry sobers up, Youk needs to be put in LF, Middlebrooks remains at 3B, and Ross (not the everyday RH star bat answer) needs to platoon with Sweeney. Ross is a horrible fielder, so Byrd will need to stay in CF for the time being.  "The Red Sox lead the league in nearly every offensive category, it's the pitching". No it aint!
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]


    The more you keep pasting and re-pasting this drivel, the more i realize that you just wont let Moon's FACTS get in the way of your....whatever this is spewing out of you...LOL...thanks for the laugh on this beautiful Monday morning...And thank you Moon for your intelligent and realistic approach to this...
     
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    Exposing lies and misinformation is easy with this clown.
     
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    I know I probably read more than i post here Moon, but sometimes I gotta comment on the foolishness of his posts...Really though, I think he just does it to do it...But i truly appreciate yours and others "homework" you do here...Well thought out, and whether your "wrong" or "right", you present the facts...Well done...Once again...
     
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    Just like the dimwit Hank was wrong on Aviles and Salty. Those 2 are the newest in a long line to make him look foolish.
     
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    Softy's a busy lawyer with no time for facts, but all the time in the world for defending rash assertions, which is what lawyers are paid to do. 

    Moonslav, meanwhile, plays the role of the expert witness whom the lawyer Softy has not a prayer of overturning. 

     
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    Just like the dimwit Hank was wrong on Aviles and Salty. Those 2 are the newest in a long line to make him look foolish.

    He also cried and cried and cried when we didn't sign Putz (who wouldn't have signed as a set-up man anyways). I don't see softy posting Putz numbers anymore.
     
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    Softy's a busy lawyer with no time for facts, but all the time in the world for defending rash assertions, which is what lawyers are paid to do.  

    He has admitted to not watching (or needing to) the games, so there you go.

    Moonslav, meanwhile, plays the role of the expert witness whom the lawyer Softy has not a prayer of overturning. 

    If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.
     
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    We now have 21 games scoring 4 or less runs.
    We now have 21 games scoring 5 or more runs.

    We are 1 five-run game away from having a median of 5 runs, which is one higher than last year.

    I understand the importance of balanced scoring and how having a mean of 5 is better than having a mean of 4, but it is not everything. Clearly this year shows that to be true.

    If we score 6+ runs the next 4 games, our median would rise to 6, and we'd barely be above .500.

    It's the pitching more than anything. Do the math.
     
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    When the offense puts runs up early and

    scores 4 or more earned runs, they are

    19-3.

    When the offense scores 3 earned runs or

    less, they are 1-17

    When the Red Sox pitch great, 3 runs or less, they are 7-5 (few games will be pitching duels which the Red Sox will lose most of those with current fatal flaw)

    Red Sox in AL/DL/Fenway aren't going to be playing a bunch of pitching duel games, even with the best pitchers in baseball on the embarrassingly bloated with poor value payroll. Their winning identity is a more capable offense in the kind of individual games with plenty of runs scored that they will usually be involved in, not due to poor pitching, but due to AL/DH/Fenway.

    Good pitching by the Red Sox, yesterday, but a loss due to poor plate work. Without a consistent offense they will continue to manifest the zero playoff wins and near half a billion InEpstein construction.
     
    Early and solid hitting for the Red Sox. Poor pitching. Nice to see the identity of this team working wins.

    Oakland, May 1, 2012   Pitching was fair for a Fenway/DH-AL game, offense was pitiful.

    Oakland, May 2, 2012  Pitching was good in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense was pitiful. Good pitching, and another loss.

    O's, May 4, 2012  Pitching was good, only 4 runs through 9 in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense is unable to score more than 3 earned runs. Another loss. 

    O's, May 5, 2012 After 3 straight games of good pitching for each game, the pitching has a bad game and the pitiful offense continues to produce a string of pitiful offensive production games.

    O's, May 6, 2012 A rarity, the Red Sox score more than 3 earned runs but lose

    @ KC May 7, 2012 Offense wins one again

    @ KC May 8, 2012 Offense is pitiful v great J. Duffy and scores 3 ER Loss

    @ KC May 9, 2012 Good pitching but the Offense is pathetic against the great Bruce Chen 3 ER Loss

    Clev May 10, 2012 Offense a pitiful 3 ER v. Old journeyman Lowe

    Clev May 11, 2012  Offense Wins it and pitching with 4 ER is Good (People whine about the pitching in this game is pitiful) 

    Clev May 12, 2012 Offense hit magic number 4 ER and staff has a great pitching game

    Clev May 13, 2012 Offense scores early and carries the pitching to a huge cushion. The offense is the identity. It carries the pitching, not the other way around.

    Clev May 14, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and one of the two decent starters needed to succeed in regular season and post season with winning identity pitches well

    Clev May 15, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and pitching staff gets cushion to ease pressure and produce shutout

    @ Tampa May 16, 2012 Pitching losing identity poster child, offense is pitiful and pitching is outstanding to produce a loss

    @ Tampa May 17, 2012 Offense scores 3 early and reaches the magic number of 4 earned runs and scores 5 earned runs. Had the pitching been outstanding and the offense in pitiful game mode, the Red Sox would have lost this game for near certainty. The offense always sets the winning identity tone for the Red Sox, as this game paradigmed.

    @ Phily May 18, 2012 A rarity, Offense reaches 4 earned runs and loses. But it's no suprise that Lefty for Phillies got a rare win in a game where the Red Sox scored 4 earned runs

    @ Phily May 19, 2012 Poster child game, Red Sox offense, no suprise, handles Blanton and Red Sox win despite subpar pitching staff game performance
    (Note: This offense, as constructed, will never put up the consistent offense needed for the Red Sox winning identity that management is oblivious to)

    @ Phily May 20, 2012  Offense scores early and scores 5 earned runs, taking game pressure off the pitching staff and putting on the Phillies. Ditto
    Red Sox win or lose with the identity that doesn't fit the archaic cliche of many years ago, in the AL. Drones are like apes, except apes are much more intelligent.

    @ O's May 20, 2012 Poor pitching and offense identity is the winner. Whether the Red Sox pitch wellor not, it is the offense that is the winning identity. Currently, as constructed, this offense has a fatal flaw that will not do the job without a trade.
    The Red Sox need to start working on acquiring Justin Upton, via trade market. Until such time as Cherry sobers up, Youk needs to be put in LF, Middlebrooks remains at 3B, and Ross (not the everyday RH star bat answer) needs to platoon with Sweeney. Ross is a horrible fielder, so Byrd will need to stay in CF for the time being. 

    Notes: Aviles stinks, despite his current fan club. Salty also stinks'

    Middlebrooks has been the single most important move in improving the ultimate issue with the "billion dollar zero playoff wins in 3 years".
     
    Yes, Peter A. Puffer, a trade is necessary for "a last place team in May" 

    "The Red Sox lead the league in nearly every offensive category, it's the pitching". No it aint!
     
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    Tonight wasn't about the pitching, nor does it have anything to do with the winning identity construction.

    It's also not about medain aggregates. It aint about the pitching. For the dimwits who are unable to look at game logs and understand why season aggregates are virtually meaningless, continue to read the comments of the shill who wanted to offer Wastefield millions. That same shill, constantly trolling this thread, claims he has me on ignore. Of course, that same shill is an idiot who reads every comment I make.
     
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    Tonight's game and many other games were won with hitting: the "weakness" of our team in your clownish mind. 

    As for median runs scored, it was you that harped about it all last year.  Now, that the median run argument goes against your position, you claim it is "not about median aggregates".

    The numbers I posted are based on game logs. One at a time. Just because I didn't attach dates and paste and repaste drivel like "tonight's game is the poster child" for your theory when we won 7-5, doesn't make my data any less significant. 

    Even with several guys out hurt on offense, we still have won more games with our bats than the American League- DH league norm GAME BY GAME- one at a time. Our pitcher's net influence has been that they have neither won nor lost more than the norm based on run support- GAME by GAME.

    Continuing your lies about offering Wake millions fools nobody but maybe your own twisted mind. "Millions" means 2 or more, unless you have invented a new definition for that word too.  By the way, Wake had a 2 run better ERA last year than Buch has now and 3 Yankee starters as well. Speaking of the Yanks and their balanced "team identity" offense: how's that working out for them so far? When is TB going to fade away? Still want Putz as our set-up man? Still think CC was a better signing than Dunn? Still want Nick Johnson instead of Beltre? Still think AGon will never sign in April? Still want Coco? BHall? Sheets? How's Ramon Hernandez working out as a FT catcher in a hitter's park? (.230/.269/.425/.694 and worst of all, 2 errors, 3 PBs and 11 WPs allowed in just 22 games, but you gotta love that 31% CS rate. Geeesh!) There's more, but I don't want to embarrass you anymore than you do yourself everytime you post.
     
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    Check out the game logs for games where our staff let up 4 ERS. The AL average winning % in those games is .375. In 5 run games, it is .301. Did the staff win these games?

    4/14 W 13-5 
    4/15 W  6-4
    4/23 W  6-5
    4/26 W  7-6
    4/30 W 11-6
    5/7   W 11-5
    5/11 W  7-5
    5/19 W  7-5
    5/21 W 8-6

    This is almost half our wins!

    What about 4/8? The offense scored 12 runs, but we lost.
    4/21, we score 9 and lose.
    5/6, we score 6 and lose.

    Yes, we have losy some games we should have won, if our offense hit better, but you totally ignore these game logs.
     
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    This disscusion is funny .... To be one of the best teams in baseball you need good pitching AND good hitting !!!!! Plain and simple ....
     
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    This disscusion is funny .... To be one of the best teams in baseball you need good pitching AND good hitting !!!!! Plain and simple ....

    Exactly! And, the easiest way to improve is to correctly identify your biggest weakness or need area and try to upgrade in that area.

    Is our biggest need hitting?

    With Ellsbury, CC, Ross, Sweeney, Youk and others returning at some point, I'd say we could improve this area, but it is not our highest priority.

    Our starting pitching is clearly our weakest link. I've been saying it since Schilling retired.
     
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    When the offense puts runs up early and

    scores 4 or more earned runs, they are

    20-3.

    When the offense scores 3 earned runs or

    less, they are 1-18

    When the Red Sox pitch great, 3 runs or less, they are 7-5 (few games will be pitching duels which the Red Sox will lose most of those with current fatal flaw)

    Red Sox in AL/DL/Fenway aren't going to be playing a bunch of pitching duel games, even with the best pitchers in baseball on the embarrassingly bloated with poor value payroll. Their winning identity is a more capable offense in the kind of individual games with plenty of runs scored that they will usually be involved in, not due to poor pitching, but due to AL/DH/Fenway.

    Good pitching by the Red Sox, yesterday, but a loss due to poor plate work. Without a consistent offense they will continue to manifest the zero playoff wins and near half a billion InEpstein construction.
     
    Early and solid hitting for the Red Sox. Poor pitching. Nice to see the identity of this team working wins.

    Oakland, May 1, 2012   Pitching was fair for a Fenway/DH-AL game, offense was pitiful.

    Oakland, May 2, 2012  Pitching was good in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense was pitiful. Good pitching, and another loss.

    O's, May 4, 2012  Pitching was good, only 4 runs through 9 in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense is unable to score more than 3 earned runs. Another loss. 

    O's, May 5, 2012 After 3 straight games of good pitching for each game, the pitching has a bad game and the pitiful offense continues to produce a string of pitiful offensive production games.

    O's, May 6, 2012 A rarity, the Red Sox score more than 3 earned runs but lose

    @ KC May 7, 2012 Offense wins one again

    @ KC May 8, 2012 Offense is pitiful v great J. Duffy and scores 3 ER Loss

    @ KC May 9, 2012 Good pitching but the Offense is pathetic against the great Bruce Chen 3 ER Loss

    Clev May 10, 2012 Offense a pitiful 3 ER v. Old journeyman Lowe

    Clev May 11, 2012  Offense Wins it and pitching with 4 ER is Good (People whine about the pitching in this game is pitiful) 

    Clev May 12, 2012 Offense hit magic number 4 ER and staff has a great pitching game

    Clev May 13, 2012 Offense scores early and carries the pitching to a huge cushion. The offense is the identity. It carries the pitching, not the other way around.

    Clev May 14, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and one of the two decent starters needed to succeed in regular season and post season with winning identity pitches well

    Clev May 15, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and pitching staff gets cushion to ease pressure and produce shutout

    @ Tampa May 16, 2012 Pitching losing identity poster child, offense is pitiful and pitching is outstanding to produce a loss

    @ Tampa May 17, 2012 Offense scores 3 early and reaches the magic number of 4 earned runs and scores 5 earned runs. Had the pitching been outstanding and the offense in pitiful game mode, the Red Sox would have lost this game for near certainty. The offense always sets the winning identity tone for the Red Sox, as this game paradigmed.

    @ Phily May 18, 2012 A rarity, Offense reaches 4 earned runs and loses. But it's no suprise that Lefty for Phillies got a rare win in a game where the Red Sox scored 4 earned runs

    @ Phily May 19, 2012 Poster child game, Red Sox offense, no suprise, handles Blanton and Red Sox win despite subpar pitching staff game performance
    (Note: This offense, as constructed, will never put up the consistent offense needed for the Red Sox winning identity that management is oblivious to)

    @ Phily May 20, 2012  Offense scores early and scores 5 earned runs, taking game pressure off the pitching staff and putting on the Phillies. Ditto
    Red Sox win or lose with the identity that doesn't fit the archaic cliche of many years ago, in the AL. Drones are like apes, except apes are much more intelligent.

    @ O's May 21, 2012 Poor pitching and offense identity is the winner. Whether the Red Sox pitch wellor not, it is the offense that is the winning identity. Currently, as constructed, this offense has a fatal flaw that will not do the job without a trade.

    @ O's May 22, 2012 Another poster child game! 1 ER against the great left Matusz! Staff goes 7.2 on the road and allow only 2 ER and fnishes with an acceptable job performance of 4 ER. Pitiful!

    @ O's May 23, 2012 After a pitiful offense game and another almost guaranteed loss, the offense hits the ER threshhold of 5 and wins with it's winning identity

    The Red Sox need to start working on acquiring Justin Upton, via trade market. Until such time as Cherry sobers up, Youk needs to be put in LF, Middlebrooks remains at 3B, and Ross (not the everyday RH star bat answer) needs to platoon with Sweeney. Ross is a horrible fielder, so Byrd will need to stay in CF for the time being. 

    Notes: Aviles stinks, despite his current fan club. Salty also stinks'

    Middlebrooks has been the single most important move in improving the ultimate issue with the "billion dollar zero playoff wins in 3 years".
     
    Yes, Peter A. Puffer, a trade is necessary for "a last place team in May" 

    "The Red Sox lead the league in nearly every offensive category, it's the pitching". No it aint!

    The value is not in the foolish attempts to pay fortunes to find a pitcher who can typically give up less than 3 ER per outing in the AL East/Fenway, but in an everyday RH young star OF player to replace the "we're now losers with a massive payroll after Manny aged out" Red Sox.
     
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    Re: Do the Math

    First, a 7-5 win is a "poster child" game to prove softy's point that we need an offensive upgrade more than a pitching upgrade, and now everytime we score less than 3 runs and lose, it's cut and paste time and another "poster child" moment.
     
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    Re: Do the Math

    early and

    scores 4 or more earned runs, they are

    20-3.

    When the offense scores 3 earned runs or

    less, they are 1-18

    When the Red Sox pitch great, 3 runs or less, they are 7-5 (few games will be pitching duels which the Red Sox will lose most of those with current fatal flaw)

    Red Sox in AL/DL/Fenway aren't going to be playing a bunch of pitching duel games, even with the best pitchers in baseball on the embarrassingly bloated with poor value payroll. Their winning identity is a more capable offense in the kind of individual games with plenty of runs scored that they will usually be involved in, not due to poor pitching, but due to AL/DH/Fenway.

    Good pitching by the Red Sox, yesterday, but a loss due to poor plate work. Without a consistent offense they will continue to manifest the zero playoff wins and near half a billion InEpstein construction.
     
    Early and solid hitting for the Red Sox. Poor pitching. Nice to see the identity of this team working wins.

    Oakland, May 1, 2012   Pitching was fair for a Fenway/DH-AL game, offense was pitiful.

    Oakland, May 2, 2012  Pitching was good in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense was pitiful. Good pitching, and another loss.

    O's, May 4, 2012  Pitching was good, only 4 runs through 9 in this Fenway/AL game, but the offense is unable to score more than 3 earned runs. Another loss. 

    O's, May 5, 2012 After 3 straight games of good pitching for each game, the pitching has a bad game and the pitiful offense continues to produce a string of pitiful offensive production games.

    O's, May 6, 2012 A rarity, the Red Sox score more than 3 earned runs but lose

    @ KC May 7, 2012 Offense wins one again

    @ KC May 8, 2012 Offense is pitiful v great J. Duffy and scores 3 ER Loss

    @ KC May 9, 2012 Good pitching but the Offense is pathetic against the great Bruce Chen 3 ER Loss

    Clev May 10, 2012 Offense a pitiful 3 ER v. Old journeyman Lowe

    Clev May 11, 2012  Offense Wins it and pitching with 4 ER is Good (People whine about the pitching in this game is pitiful) 

    Clev May 12, 2012 Offense hit magic number 4 ER and staff has a great pitching game

    Clev May 13, 2012 Offense scores early and carries the pitching to a huge cushion. The offense is the identity. It carries the pitching, not the other way around.

    Clev May 14, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and one of the two decent starters needed to succeed in regular season and post season with winning identity pitches well

    Clev May 15, 2012 Offense scores early, reaches winning identity threshhold and pitching staff gets cushion to ease pressure and produce shutout

    @ Tampa May 16, 2012 Pitching losing identity poster child, offense is pitiful and pitching is outstanding to produce a loss

    @ Tampa May 17, 2012 Offense scores 3 early and reaches the magic number of 4 earned runs and scores 5 earned runs. Had the pitching been outstanding and the offense in pitiful game mode, the Red Sox would have lost this game for near certainty. The offense always sets the winning identity tone for the Red Sox, as this game paradigmed.

    @ Phily May 18, 2012 A rarity, Offense reaches 4 earned runs and loses. But it's no suprise that Lefty for Phillies got a rare win in a game where the Red Sox scored 4 earned runs

    @ Phily May 19, 2012 Poster child game, Red Sox offense, no suprise, handles Blanton and Red Sox win despite subpar pitching staff game performance
    (Note: This offense, as constructed, will never put up the consistent offense needed for the Red Sox winning identity that management is oblivious to)

    @ Phily May 20, 2012  Offense scores early and scores 5 earned runs, taking game pressure off the pitching staff and putting on the Phillies. Ditto
    Red Sox win or lose with the identity that doesn't fit the archaic cliche of many years ago, in the AL. Drones are like apes, except apes are much more intelligent.

    @ O's May 21, 2012 Poor pitching and offense identity is the winner. Whether the Red Sox pitch wellor not, it is the offense that is the winning identity. Currently, as constructed, this offense has a fatal flaw that will not do the job without a trade.

    @ O's May 22, 2012 Another poster child game! 1 ER against the great left Matusz! Staff goes 7.2 on the road and allow only 2 ER and fnishes with an acceptable job performance of 4 ER. Pitiful!

    @ O's May 23, 2012 After a pitiful offense game and another almost guaranteed loss, the offense hits the ER threshhold of 5 and wins with it's winning identity

    The Red Sox need to start working on acquiring Justin Upton, via trade market. Until such time as Cherry sobers up, Youk needs to be put in LF, Middlebrooks remains at 3B, and Ross (not the everyday RH star bat answer) needs to platoon with Sweeney. Ross is a horrible fielder, so Byrd will need to stay in CF for the time being. 

    Notes: Aviles stinks, despite his current fan club. Salty also stinks'

    Middlebrooks has been the single most important move in improving the ultimate issue with the "billion dollar zero playoff wins in 3 years".
     
    Yes, Peter A. Puffer, a trade is necessary for "a last place team in May" 

    "The Red Sox lead the league in nearly every offensive category, it's the pitching". No it aint!

    The value is not in the foolish attempts to pay fortunes to find a pitcher who can typically give up less than 3 ER per outing in the AL East/Fenway, but in an everyday RH young star OF player to replace the "we're now losers with a massive payroll after Manny aged out" Red Sox.
     

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