Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz?

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    i'd say thats a good idea. give him some time to work on his changeup and we get a chance to see what cook can do.
     
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    No those runs are on Bobby V. He was gassed and had to pitch his way out of it. Buchholz was fine tonight.
     
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    [QUOTE]i'd say thats a good idea. give him some time to work on his changeup and we get a chance to see what cook can do.
    Posted by mef429[/QUOTE]Here's what Cook can do, in NL West. And before you say Coors inflated his ERA and WHIP and check out his career road WHIP.

    If Valentine pulled Clay 3 batters sooner it would have been a pretty decent appearance.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cookaa01.shtml

     
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    thats the best part about time. the past is the past, the present is now. in the past he may have been not the best pitcher... but whos to say he can't pitch great now? it certainly looks to be that way.. hell, is phil humber the 20th greatest pitcher all time just because he threw a perfect game?
     
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    [QUOTE]thats the best part about time. the past is the past, the present is now. in the past he may have been not the best pitcher... but whos to say he can't pitch great now? it certainly looks to be that way.. hell, is phil humber the 20th greatest pitcher all time just because he threw a perfect game?
    Posted by mef429[/QUOTE]

    Saying the past is the past is ridiculous.  Cook was probably the worst pitcher in BB over the last two years.  He has a 10/9 K/W against a bunch of kids.

    And, FWIW, Humber's ERA over the past two years is almost two runs lower than Cook's.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think not. Cook makes his next scheduled start. If Buch has options send him down. If not, DL him. Give him 7 runs and it is not enough for him. Saying he stinks is giving him a break. No more!!
    Posted by teddybaseball009[/QUOTE]

    Buchholtz was fine tonight.  He didn't have his best stuff but battled and only allowed 1 run through 5 innings.  He was clearly getting tired in the 6th, should have been pulled much earlier.   He started last year out slow too but got better and better after every start.  He's a proven starter.  Had a great year in 2010, and last year was pitching well (w/ an ERA about 3.80) before he got hurt.  Bard was a terrible starting pitcher in the minors.  He couldn't throw enough strikes and walked waaay too many hitters.  Guess what he's doing so far in Majors? walking too many people.  Their hope is for him to turn into a top of rotation starting pitcher, but Bard will never become that.  He's needed in the bulpen.  
     
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    Buchholz was awful last April, too.  1-3 5.31ERA 1.812WHIP

    Then in May/June he was 5-0 2.74ERA, 1.023WHIP

    This may require actual patience...
     
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    [QUOTE]thats the best part about time. the past is the past, the present is now. in the past he may have been not the best pitcher... but whos to say he can't pitch great now? it certainly looks to be that way.. hell, is phil humber the 20th greatest pitcher all time just because he threw a perfect game?
    Posted by mef429[/QUOTE]

    Then why not call up Justin Germano, who has been outpitching Cook in Pawtucket?

    Or why not Alex Wilson, whose ERA and WHIP are unimpressive in limited AAA action, but has a K/BB that is off the charts?

    Honestly, the next guy to get the call should be Ross Ohlendorf.  Ohlendorf's repetoire never lent itself to starting. where he is a TJ surgery waiting to happen. He'd be much more useful out ofthe pen...
     
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    In response to "Re: Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz?": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz? : Here's what Cook can do, in NL West. And before you say Coors inflated his ERA and WHIP and check out his career road WHIP. If Valentine pulled Clay 3 batters sooner it would have been a pretty decent appearance. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cookaa01.shtml Posted by fivekatz[/QUOTE] Great. An advocate for a starter who can't go beyond 5 innings on a team with the worst bullpen in MLB. My opinion of buchholz has not changed. He was just lucky against a team that doesnt hit so well.
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz?": Great. An advocate for a starter who can't go beyond 5 innings on a team with the worst bullpen in MLB. My opinion of buchholz has not changed. He was just lucky against a team that doesnt hit so well.
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    I'm not so sure the Twins are a poor offensive team.

    They're barely below League Average in BA and OBP.  But a lot of people assumed they were awful when Baltimore shut them down early on.  Even though they walked out of that series and lit up Jered Weaver and Dan Haren on back to back nights, and have steadily climbed back into the middle of the pack in ost offensive categories.   And the early near no-hitter against them by Jason Hammels appears to be more about Hammels than it is about the Twins weak hitting.  Hammels is a serious Pitcher of the Month candidate for April...
     
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    Not so sure about that. Pitched in and out of trouble, and did pretty well tonight til he ran out of gas in the 6th. Then, the pen imploded. Partly his fault, partly not. He deserves a couple more starts before I'd borrow any trouble.
     
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    If the Sox had a clear cut way out of the SP situation, I would certainly be for sending Buch down for some instruction or whatever it is he needs.  A 5 inning pitcher on this team is a dangerous thing...the Sox have no BP.
     
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    [QUOTE]Buchholz was awful last April, too.  1-3 5.31ERA 1.812WHIP Then in May/June he was 5-0 2.74ERA, 1.023WHIP This may require actual patience...
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    Patience? Surely you jest.
     
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    In response to "Re: Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz?": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz? : Patience? Surely you jest. Posted by royf19[/QUOTE] Nosireee! Not in THIS Nation my friend!
     
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    [QUOTE]If the Sox had a clear cut way out of the SP situation, I would certainly be for sending Buch down for some instruction or whatever it is he needs.  A 5 inning pitcher on this team is a dangerous thing...the Sox have no BP.
    Posted by traven[/QUOTE]

    Yes, the problem area is the bullpen.  So demoting another starter is certainly not going to recitfy that.   The only way to help the bullpen by removing a starter would be if Bard changed roles permanently, but that option is not going to happen anytime soon.

    And demoting Buchholz to fix the bullpen is simply crazy.  Do people think Aaron Cook and his oft-injured arm has a series of complete games stashed away?   His IP has been dropping by over 30 per year since 2008 for a reason, and it isn't because he has been saving himself to keep the 2012 bullpen fresh.

    Exhaust a few internal options in the bullpen, and for once listen to notin and stop using the ridicuous "lefty specialist" strategy!!  It is a bullpen killer!!!
     
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    In response to "Re: Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz?": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz? : Yes, the problem area is the bullpen.  So demoting another starter is certainly not going to recitfy that.   The only way to help the bullpen by removing a starter would be if Bard changed roles permanently, but that option is not going to happen anytime soon. And demoting Buchholz to fix the bullpen is simply crazy.  Do people think Aaron Cook and his oft-injured arm has a series of complete games stashed away?   His IP has been dropping by over 30 per year since 2008 for a reason, and it isn't because he has been saving himself to keep the 2012 bullpen fresh. Exhaust a few internal options in the bullpen, and for once listen to notin and stop using the ridicuous "lefty specialist" strategy!!  It is a bullpen killer!!! Posted by notin[/QUOTE] Cook, Hill on the way.
     
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    Buchholtz is going to be fine.  So is Lester.  They will both put up some of the best ERA's from May forward in the AL.  Lester always gets off to a bad start in April, besides last year.  And Buchholtz had a sub 3.00 ERA last year after April.  Buchholz's first 3 starts were all during the day, and for his career he has a 5.03 ERA in day starts.  He looked much better tonight, and will continue to get better after each start. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: Do we need anymore evidence on Buchholtz?": Cook, Hill on the way.
    Posted by TheExaminer[/QUOTE]

    Are they?

    I assume Thomas and Tazawa are heading back.

    I hope Hill is ready.  And does this mean Bard is in the pen for good?
     
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    Notin, I would say since the players are running things Bard will get his way until the opposing advance scouts start seeing some consistent behavior with his tendencies.

    A guy that will not participate in the best interests of the team is not a guy I want on my team. Bard may be one of the few commodities that can bring some talent back that the Sox need. He wants to be a starter-perhaps BenC can find a team willing to trade a solid reliever for Bard that's young and good.  The Braves unfortunately have probably the best young bullpen talent---however Bard would have to go to the minors and get in line for a starters opportunity.

    The "win-win" premise for both teams--something all good trades are based on.
     
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    It wouldnt matter if Clay pitched well for 5 innings or he stayed in the game too long.

    It is all about trying to keep the bullpen fresh.  Clay need to help the team by pitching deeper for most games so that way Bullpen pitching staffs will not have wear and tear on themselves like they all had in the last two months last year. 

    Remember Bard was worn out at the end, and everyone was blaming on Bard for losing too many games from August to September.  That was because Bedard, Miller, Dice K (before he went on DL), Lackey, Wakefield, etc all did not go deep enough for most starts.

     
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       Another FAT-CAT contract that is not performing to the level that he is being paid for !!!!!   Trade him !!!!  (package)
     
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    It's amazing that people judge someone that has pitched well for two years on 4 starts this year.

    That pitcher that we all know has magically dissapeared and this new one is in his place.

    Things don't work like that in baseball.  Buch is going to get a chance to turn it around.  Of course his velocity is down so maybe his back is still bothering him. I could possibly see a DL stint for 15 days or so to get his head right and his back. But he isn't going to get sent down after 4 starts.
     
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    snake, I agree 100%, but the guy is coming off a serious injury that may permanerntly effect him, so I also get other poster's concerns.

    Judging anyone on 4 starts is just plain crazy. 

    Anytime. Anywhere. Anyhow.
     
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    [QUOTE]snake, I agree 100%, but the guy is coming off a serious injury that may permanerntly effect him, so I also get other poster's concerns. Judging anyone on 4 starts is just plain crazy.  Anytime. Anywhere. Anyhow.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    And if he is not at 100 percent and still has some affects by all means put him on the DL and see if he can get straightened out. But people talking about sending him to Pawtucket or getting rid of him after 4 starts?  Amazing.

    He is 27 years old, and went 23 and 10 over the past 2 years with an ERA under 3.  4 starts into 2012 and he is a bum.  There is no reason to trade him or mess with his head by sending him to AAA.  If he isn't hurt he is going to be good again.  If there is something wrong then DL him.  It's that simple.

     

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