posted at 5/5/2013 1:03 PM EDT
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I'm certainly not a respected media pundit, but am / was very optimistic regarding Doubront this spring. In one of the predictions threads I had him at 20 wins and Cy Young contention , based on expected leap forward which so far obviously hasn't occurred.
Last year at age 24 he won what, 11 games for a team with only 69 wins ?
Even wiith the loss of velocity, I say don't give up on him yet. Perhaps a rest and evaluation on the D.L. is in store. I'd prefer Webster get more AAA development time, but oh well. Rubby still re-building arm strength and probably not an option before August.
Anybody want to see what local boy Terry Doyle has , up in the big leagues ?
Could always put Hassan or Bard on 60 day list to free a roster spot.
Doyles very high walk rate scares me in MLB. If he didnt have that, he might be an effective MLB pitcher. All his other stats are pretty good.
Rather give Webster a couple more go-arounds.
Interesting observation about Doyle and his walk rate. I was going to give it to those who keep on harping on Doubrant. He's only in his second full year of MLB and still learning his craft. As I said in an other thread some players mature earlier, some later. As far as the walk rate a pretty decent pitcher by the name of Sandy Koufax was with the Dodgers for a number of years before he finally matured and early on his walk rate was pretty awful leading to a very high WHIP despite not allowing a lot of hits per inning. Once Koufax figured it out his walk rate decreased as well as his WHIP both went way down and he was "ONLY" 129-47 over his last six seasons. Not saying Douby will become Koufax but fans need to give the kid some room and time to improve.
To look at Koufax stats over his last four seasons is mind boggling. His last four years:
97-27, 150 starts, 89 Complete games, 31 shut outs, 1192 innings, 829 hits, 259 BBs, 1.80era with a WHIP of about .90. Stats which probably are similar to Pedro is his best years.
I have patients when it comes to LHP and control. What bothers me is this kid is given a golden opportunity to play baseball at the highest level and hasnt taken it seriously IMO. Now, maybe I dont have all the info, but I hardly think they are happy with him showing up out of shape 2 of the last 3 years. they were counting on him in 2011 and he dealt with injuries because of showing up out of shape and not taking his off season conditioning seriously. Now this year, after throwing the most IP in his pro career, he does it again. This past off season was critical for him to do the proper conditioning because of said workload. He looked like a tub of goo when he showed up and had shoulder issues. Now, one month into the season his arm speed is slower and his velocity is down by 4-5MPH.
If it was just the normal control thing, Id have no issue being patient. when he puts the team in a very tough position and has a direct effect on the team because he cant do what is necessary year round to be an MLB pitcher, then I have an issue with him.
You bring up a good point but a lot of this is true of quite a few players in MLB and maybe not out of shape but certainly many players are over weight, for instance Papi for a few seasons until last year when he came in much thinner. I realize players come in all shapes and sizes but if some in MLB tried it in the NBA they'd be out of gas by the end of the first quarter. I'm sure it might have something to do with Doubrant's ineffectiveness or loss of mileage on his fastball. For players in MLB to get the money they demand and be in the condition many are in !!