Drew makes a difference

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    Moon, I definitely have come around to your way of thinking on this.  A look back at the great Orioles teams, and you see Belanger and Robinson on the left side - almost nothing got through them.  Even though their hitting was average to below average, they kept the team in many games and were a major reason for the Orioles pitching success!

    2013 World Series Champs, 2014 Super Bowl Champs???!!!

     
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    The SS position is so important defensively that a great fielding SS can more than make up for going 1 for 4 or 1 for 5 by taking away a hit or two every 1-2 games. The numbers show that some SSs make 100-120 more plays a year than others. While it is hard to prove that other factors did not highly influence those disparities, the fact remains: some SSs make many many plays that few others can only make in their dreams.

     And, I watch SS defense like a hawk.

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    There's some hidden, underlying message in here somewhere isn't there, Moon?  Would it have anything to do with a recent trade?  Laughing

     
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    The SS position is so important defensively that a great fielding SS can more than make up for going 1 for 4 or 1 for 5 by taking away a hit or two every 1-2 games. The numbers show that some SSs make 100-120 more plays a year than others. While it is hard to prove that other factors did not highly influence those disparities, the fact remains: some SSs make many many plays that few others can only make in their dreams.

     And, I watch SS defense like a hawk.

    There's some hidden, underlying message in here somewhere isn't there, Moon?  Would it have anything to do with a recent trade?  Laughing

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    More about what was said last winter and the one before and long before that as well.

    I argued a long time about making Iggy our FT SS based on his superb defense, particularly his range. I thought he was much better than Aviles and Drew, but I later admitted I misjudged both Aviles and Drew's defensive skill levels. Iargued that Iggy could "save" 60-100 hits over 150 games, and that would more than make up for getting 30-60 less hits over 500 PAs.

    A clear majority of posters argued that great defense by the SS could not outweigh very poor offense. Now, we can all see the great value of superb SS defense, and hardly anyone cares that he has stunk at the plate.

     

    (Note: perhas the biggest irony of this whole long-standing debate, is that the co-champion of arguing for a great defensive SS over the last 5 years or so, softy the clown, has been saying Drew should be benched, because he can't hit. He has also downplayed Drew's excellent defense as well.)

     
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    And as I  recall,  that came just after Holiday's jack. If it gest past him it's a double to the  gap. Who knows where  the game goes from there?

    I love Drew. I'd certainly like  to see  him hitting better (and  I know  he wants to hit better),  but you cannot put a  price tag on a dependable glove at shortstop. Personally, I believe he's the  best we've had at  the position since Cabrera, if not Nomar.

     
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    IMHO the reason defensive doesn't get more credit is because there are so few metrics to quantify it. 

    Even the most casual fan knows that a person batting .325 is a better hitter than a person batting .275. It's pretty straight-forward.  When we go up the fandom scale a bit the more serious fans know about SLG %age and OBP and therefore recognize the value in OPS.  And so on up the scale until you get to the "hardcores" like Moon and Notin who recognize the intricacies of offensive metrics.  (Frequently beyond what I know, but I'm learning from others as I go along).

    Defensive metrics are another story, with so many variables it's difficult for many people to wrrap their brains around them.  Range factor and UZR are a bit subjective and therefore not as straight-forward, making them harder to understand.  When we talk about the number of plays we expect an average SS to make we're talking about expectations as well as what an average SS will do.  And if a SS gets to more balls than average, but makes more errors on those balls... is that a good thing or a bad thing? 

    If there were a way to say someone is a +10 SS we'd know that he's better defensively than a +2 SS and we'd have a hard number to work into this player's offensive numbers to determine his worth.  There isn't and I don't see any way there's going to be so outstanding defense is going to continue to be underrated (IMO) in favor of offense.

    Edited to add:

    Good defense is like what Chief Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography.  "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

     
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    IMHO the reason defensive doesn't get more credit is because there are so few metrics to quantify it. 

    Even the most casual fan knows that a person batting .325 is a better hitter than a person batting .275. It's pretty straight-forward.  When we go up the fandom scale a bit the more serious fans know about SLG %age and OBP and therefore recognize the value in OPS.  And so on up the scale until you get to the "hardcores" like Moon and Notin who recognize the intricacies of offensive metrics.  (Frequently beyond what I know, but I'm learning from others as I go along).

    Defensive metrics are another story, with so many variables it's difficult for many people to wrrap their brains around them.  Range factor and UZR are a bit subjective and therefore not as straight-forward, making them harder to understand.  When we talk about the number of plays we expect an average SS to make we're talking about expectations as well as what an average SS will do.  And if a SS gets to more balls than average, but makes more errors on those balls... is that a good thing or a bad thing? 

    If there were a way to say someone is a +10 SS we'd know that he's better defensively than a +2 SS and we'd have a hard number to work into this player's offensive numbers to determine his worth.  There isn't and I don't see any way there's going to be so outstanding defense is going to continue to be underrated (IMO) in favor of offense.

    Edited to add:

    Good defense is like what Chief Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography.  "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

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    Exactly right.  Sometimes, a player's value can be based on the good, old-fashioned eye test. And my eyes tell me Stephen Drew is a damn good defensive shortstop, the best we've had since at least Orlando Cabrera.

     

     
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    IMHO the reason defensive doesn't get more credit is because there are so few metrics to quantify it. 

    Even the most casual fan knows that a person batting .325 is a better hitter than a person batting .275. It's pretty straight-forward.  When we go up the fandom scale a bit the more serious fans know about SLG %age and OBP and therefore recognize the value in OPS.  And so on up the scale until you get to the "hardcores" like Moon and Notin who recognize the intricacies of offensive metrics.  (Frequently beyond what I know, but I'm learning from others as I go along).

    Defensive metrics are another story, with so many variables it's difficult for many people to wrrap their brains around them.  Range factor and UZR are a bit subjective and therefore not as straight-forward, making them harder to understand.  When we talk about the number of plays we expect an average SS to make we're talking about expectations as well as what an average SS will do.  And if a SS gets to more balls than average, but makes more errors on those balls... is that a good thing or a bad thing? 

    If there were a way to say someone is a +10 SS we'd know that he's better defensively than a +2 SS and we'd have a hard number to work into this player's offensive numbers to determine his worth.  There isn't and I don't see any way there's going to be so outstanding defense is going to continue to be underrated (IMO) in favor of offense.

    Edited to add:

    Good defense is like what Chief Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography.  "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

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    Exactly right.  Sometimes, a player's value can be based on the good, old-fashioned eye test. And my eyes tell me Stephen Drew is a damn good defensive shortstop, the best we've had since at least Orlando Cabrera.

     

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    Alex Gonzalez was pretty good.

    I wouldn't have minded resigning him.

     
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    IMHO the reason defensive doesn't get more credit is because there are so few metrics to quantify it. 

    Even the most casual fan knows that a person batting .325 is a better hitter than a person batting .275. It's pretty straight-forward.  When we go up the fandom scale a bit the more serious fans know about SLG %age and OBP and therefore recognize the value in OPS.  And so on up the scale until you get to the "hardcores" like Moon and Notin who recognize the intricacies of offensive metrics.  (Frequently beyond what I know, but I'm learning from others as I go along).

    Defensive metrics are another story, with so many variables it's difficult for many people to wrrap their brains around them.  Range factor and UZR are a bit subjective and therefore not as straight-forward, making them harder to understand.  When we talk about the number of plays we expect an average SS to make we're talking about expectations as well as what an average SS will do.  And if a SS gets to more balls than average, but makes more errors on those balls... is that a good thing or a bad thing? 

    If there were a way to say someone is a +10 SS we'd know that he's better defensively than a +2 SS and we'd have a hard number to work into this player's offensive numbers to determine his worth.  There isn't and I don't see any way there's going to be so outstanding defense is going to continue to be underrated (IMO) in favor of offense.

    Edited to add:

    Good defense is like what Chief Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography.  "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

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    Exactly right.  Sometimes, a player's value can be based on the good, old-fashioned eye test. And my eyes tell me Stephen Drew is a damn good defensive shortstop, the best we've had since at least Orlando Cabrera.

     

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    This is why I was telling everyone here that S.Drew is a defensive metric nightmare. Most of his numbers suggest hes not that good defensively, when in actuality hes an above average SS or better. Im not huge on defensive metrics. I understand them and use them to a point, but certainly do not make judgements based on just those numbers. Id rather see a player defensively to make that judgement.

    Although Drew isnt hitting right now (the life of a streaky hitter) we all know hes a 750-800OPS SS and thats well above the league average of about 670-80.

    Hes saved a number of runs this post season and He WILL get a big hit before its all over.

     
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    IMHO the reason defensive doesn't get more credit is because there are so few metrics to quantify it. 

    Even the most casual fan knows that a person batting .325 is a better hitter than a person batting .275. It's pretty straight-forward.  When we go up the fandom scale a bit the more serious fans know about SLG %age and OBP and therefore recognize the value in OPS.  And so on up the scale until you get to the "hardcores" like Moon and Notin who recognize the intricacies of offensive metrics.  (Frequently beyond what I know, but I'm learning from others as I go along).

    Defensive metrics are another story, with so many variables it's difficult for many people to wrrap their brains around them.  Range factor and UZR are a bit subjective and therefore not as straight-forward, making them harder to understand.  When we talk about the number of plays we expect an average SS to make we're talking about expectations as well as what an average SS will do.  And if a SS gets to more balls than average, but makes more errors on those balls... is that a good thing or a bad thing? 

    If there were a way to say someone is a +10 SS we'd know that he's better defensively than a +2 SS and we'd have a hard number to work into this player's offensive numbers to determine his worth.  There isn't and I don't see any way there's going to be so outstanding defense is going to continue to be underrated (IMO) in favor of offense.

    Edited to add:

    Good defense is like what Chief Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography.  "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

    [/QUOTE]

    Exactly right.  Sometimes, a player's value can be based on the good, old-fashioned eye test. And my eyes tell me Stephen Drew is a damn good defensive shortstop, the best we've had since at least Orlando Cabrera.

     

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    This is why I was telling everyone here that S.Drew is a defensive metric nightmare. Most of his numbers suggest hes not that good defensively, when in actuality hes an above average SS or better. Im not huge on defensive metrics. I understand them and use them to a point, but certainly do not make judgements based on just those numbers. Id rather see a player defensively to make that judgement.

    Although Drew isnt hitting right now (the life of a streaky hitter) we all know hes a 750-800OPS SS and thats well above the league average of about 670-80.

    Hes saved a number of runs this post season and He WILL get a big hit before its all over.

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    No time like tonight, for that big hit!

     
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    IMHO the reason defensive doesn't get more credit is because there are so few metrics to quantify it. 

    Even the most casual fan knows that a person batting .325 is a better hitter than a person batting .275. It's pretty straight-forward.  When we go up the fandom scale a bit the more serious fans know about SLG %age and OBP and therefore recognize the value in OPS.  And so on up the scale until you get to the "hardcores" like Moon and Notin who recognize the intricacies of offensive metrics.  (Frequently beyond what I know, but I'm learning from others as I go along).

    Defensive metrics are another story, with so many variables it's difficult for many people to wrrap their brains around them.  Range factor and UZR are a bit subjective and therefore not as straight-forward, making them harder to understand.  When we talk about the number of plays we expect an average SS to make we're talking about expectations as well as what an average SS will do.  And if a SS gets to more balls than average, but makes more errors on those balls... is that a good thing or a bad thing? 

    If there were a way to say someone is a +10 SS we'd know that he's better defensively than a +2 SS and we'd have a hard number to work into this player's offensive numbers to determine his worth.  There isn't and I don't see any way there's going to be so outstanding defense is going to continue to be underrated (IMO) in favor of offense.

    Edited to add:

    Good defense is like what Chief Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography.  "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

    [/QUOTE]

    Exactly right.  Sometimes, a player's value can be based on the good, old-fashioned eye test. And my eyes tell me Stephen Drew is a damn good defensive shortstop, the best we've had since at least Orlando Cabrera.

     

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    This is why I was telling everyone here that S.Drew is a defensive metric nightmare. Most of his numbers suggest hes not that good defensively, when in actuality hes an above average SS or better. Im not huge on defensive metrics. I understand them and use them to a point, but certainly do not make judgements based on just those numbers. Id rather see a player defensively to make that judgement.

    Although Drew isnt hitting right now (the life of a streaky hitter) we all know hes a 750-800OPS SS and thats well above the league average of about 670-80.

    Hes saved a number of runs this post season and He WILL get a big hit before its all over.

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    No time like tonight, for that big hit!

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    I can feel it coming 4B. First the SF rbi, then the hard hit ball to right/center the other night (although caught, it was tagged pretty good). Hes coming out of it and will get a big hit. Yes, tonight sounds perfect Wink

     
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    Even a game winning granny by Drew will not quiet some clowns.

     
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    Even a game winning granny by Drew will not quiet some clowns.

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    Those are the ones that dont have a clue anyway Moon.

    At least with you, a change of opinion can be made and even if you "dont like" a player you still will make your fair opinions and even change that opinion like in the case of Drews defense or even Salty last year.

    The ones that just hate and cant admit they were off about something or someone dont have credibility with me.

     
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    Better sign him or otherwise he ll go to the Yankees.  Big time addition to the Yankee and big time substraction to the Sox. 

    Ben C better prepare for this!!

     
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    Better sign him or otherwise he ll go to the Yankees.  Big time addition to the Yankee and big time substraction to the Sox. 

    Ben C better prepare for this!!

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    St L. might be interested too. He will have a few teams calling him for sure.

     
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    Even a game winning granny by Drew will not quiet some clowns.

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    And it wont matter.

    The rest of us can get a chuckle out of them.

     
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    Toughest play for any Fielder, the routine one. More big innings, more rallies have started, because the Fielder didn't make the routine play.
    That play by Drew against the Tigers, (even though we lost 1-0, in 1st game), was one of the best plays this Post-season. Never gets enough attention.

     

     
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    Big brother had a pretty memorable game 6 granny.  sounds good to me!

     
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    Better sign him or otherwise he ll go to the Yankees.  Big time addition to the Yankee and big time substraction to the Sox. 

    Ben C better prepare for this!!

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    St L. might be interested too. He will have a few teams calling him for sure.

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    if he goes there, I ll be more happy!!!

     
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    Pedroia has had a better season because of him. You got a Rookie 3rd Baseman, who never really played the Position, in WS. Thats another trickle down effect from Drew.

    All the Sox Players affectionately call him Dirt. There's a reason for that.

     
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    The SS position is so important defensively that a great fielding SS can more than make up for going 1 for 4 or 1 for 5 by taking away a hit or two every 1-2 games. The numbers show that some SSs make 100-120 more plays a year than others. While it is hard to prove that other factors did not highly influence those disparities, the fact remains: some SSs make many many plays that few others can only make in their dreams.

     And, I watch SS defense like a hawk.

     

     

    There's some hidden, underlying message in here somewhere isn't there, Moon?  Would it have anything to do with a recent trade?  Laughing



    More about what was said last winter and the one before and long before that as well.

    I argued a long time about making Iggy our FT SS based on his superb defense, particularly his range. I thought he was much better than Aviles and Drew, but I later admitted I misjudged both Aviles and Drew's defensive skill levels. Iargued that Iggy could "save" 60-100 hits over 150 games, and that would more than make up for getting 30-60 less hits over 500 PAs.

    A clear majority of posters argued that great defense by the SS could not outweigh very poor offense. Now, we can all see the great value of superb SS defense, and hardly anyone cares that he has stunk at the plate.

     

    (Note: perhas the biggest irony of this whole long-standing debate, is that the co-champion of arguing for a great defensive SS over the last 5 years or so, softy the clown, has been saying Drew should be benched, because he can't hit. He has also downplayed Drew's excellent defense as well.)

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    Drew is batting .080/.233. That is, simply put, not good enough. He has been very solid defensively, and that PARTIALLY compensates for his offensive ineptitude, but he has not done a thing with the bat this postseason, especially in the WS. If Middlebrooks was hitting the ball I would have no hesitation to BENCH Drew in favor of Bogaerts-who is batting .294. He would do just fine at SS. He has been playing 3B which is not his natural position and has had some problems there that likely would not occur if he were at SS. If we choose to resign Drew next year it should be for ONE YEAR only as Bogey is our SS of the future, not Drew.

     
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    Drew is batting .080/.233. That is, simply put, not good enough. He has been very solid defensively, and that PARTIALLY compensates for his offensive ineptitude, but he has not done a thing with the bat this postseason, especially in the WS. If Middlebrooks was hitting the ball I would have no hesitation to BENCH Drew in favor of Bogaerts-who is batting .294. He would do just fine at SS. He has been playing 3B which is not his natural position and has had some problems there that likely would not occur if he were at SS. If we choose to resign Drew next year it should be for ONE YEAR only as Bogey is our SS of the future, not Drew.

    They'd be benching Drew for Middy not Bogey.

    They'd be getting worse on defense at SS and maybe even 3B due to Middy funk.

     
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    The SS position is so important defensively that a great fielding SS can more than make up for going 1 for 4 or 1 for 5 by taking away a hit or two every 1-2 games. The numbers show that some SSs make 100-120 more plays a year than others. While it is hard to prove that other factors did not highly influence those disparities, the fact remains: some SSs make many many plays that few others can only make in their dreams.

     And, I watch SS defense like a hawk.

     

     

    There's some hidden, underlying message in here somewhere isn't there, Moon?  Would it have anything to do with a recent trade?  Laughing

     

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    More about what was said last winter and the one before and long before that as well.

     

    I argued a long time about making Iggy our FT SS based on his superb defense, particularly his range. I thought he was much better than Aviles and Drew, but I later admitted I misjudged both Aviles and Drew's defensive skill levels. Iargued that Iggy could "save" 60-100 hits over 150 games, and that would more than make up for getting 30-60 less hits over 500 PAs.

    A clear majority of posters argued that great defense by the SS could not outweigh very poor offense. Now, we can all see the great value of superb SS defense, and hardly anyone cares that he has stunk at the plate.

     

    (Note: perhas the biggest irony of this whole long-standing debate, is that the co-champion of arguing for a great defensive SS over the last 5 years or so, softy the clown, has been saying Drew should be benched, because he can't hit. He has also downplayed Drew's excellent defense as well.)

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    Drew is batting .080/.233. That is, simply put, not good enough. He has been very solid defensively, and that PARTIALLY compensates for his offensive ineptitude, but he has not done a thing with the bat this postseason, especially in the WS. If Middlebrooks was hitting the ball I would have no hesitation to BENCH Drew in favor of Bogaerts-who is batting .294. He would do just fine at SS. He has been playing 3B which is not his natural position and has had some problems there that likely would not occur if he were at SS. If we choose to resign Drew next year it should be for ONE YEAR only as Bogey is our SS of the future, not Drew.

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    Considering the Sox are up 3-2 in the series and took 2 of 3 in St Louis, it obviously is good enough.

    The playoffs are different that the regular season.

     
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    The SS position is so important defensively that a great fielding SS can more than make up for going 1 for 4 or 1 for 5 by taking away a hit or two every 1-2 games. The numbers show that some SSs make 100-120 more plays a year than others. While it is hard to prove that other factors did not highly influence those disparities, the fact remains: some SSs make many many plays that few others can only make in their dreams.

     And, I watch SS defense like a hawk.

     

     

    There's some hidden, underlying message in here somewhere isn't there, Moon?  Would it have anything to do with a recent trade?  Laughing

     

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    More about what was said last winter and the one before and long before that as well.

     

    I argued a long time about making Iggy our FT SS based on his superb defense, particularly his range. I thought he was much better than Aviles and Drew, but I later admitted I misjudged both Aviles and Drew's defensive skill levels. Iargued that Iggy could "save" 60-100 hits over 150 games, and that would more than make up for getting 30-60 less hits over 500 PAs.

    A clear majority of posters argued that great defense by the SS could not outweigh very poor offense. Now, we can all see the great value of superb SS defense, and hardly anyone cares that he has stunk at the plate.

     

    (Note: perhas the biggest irony of this whole long-standing debate, is that the co-champion of arguing for a great defensive SS over the last 5 years or so, softy the clown, has been saying Drew should be benched, because he can't hit. He has also downplayed Drew's excellent defense as well.)

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    Drew is batting .080/.233. That is, simply put, not good enough. He has been very solid defensively, and that PARTIALLY compensates for his offensive ineptitude, but he has not done a thing with the bat this postseason, especially in the WS. If Middlebrooks was hitting the ball I would have no hesitation to BENCH Drew in favor of Bogaerts-who is batting .294. He would do just fine at SS. He has been playing 3B which is not his natural position and has had some problems there that likely would not occur if he were at SS. If we choose to resign Drew next year it should be for ONE YEAR only as Bogey is our SS of the future, not Drew.

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    But would Bogaerts make all these plays that Drew made in the whole post season including WS?   The catch that Drew caught in game 5, I bet that Bogaerts wouldnt make that catch.  Also Bogaerts shifted to SS after Drew was replaced by a pinch hitter in the later part of the game 3 or 4 (i forgot which one).  Very first batter of the Cardinals in the next inning hit an easy ground ball to Bogaerts.  But unfortunelately, Bogaerts failed to get this batter out.  The result was that guy on 1b scored the winning run of the game!!   I can go on and on who I rather to have at the SS.  Seriously, Bogaerts is going to give up one or two more runs a game during the WS than Drew playing at SS.  But would he also counter this by getting a run or two when he bat?  He havent got much RBI in this WS.

    Therefore, Drew belong at SS!!  If Drew was batting .400 to .350 something like that in the WS, I would easily pick Drew as a MVP!!

     

     
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    Re: Drew makes a difference

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    Big brother had a pretty memorable game 6 granny.  sounds good to me!

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    If I recall properly that was the ALCS, not the World Series........

     
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