Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton
posted at 1/5/2013 1:53 PM EST
In response to Beantowne's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Yeah, Holliday was definitely plan A that off season and they thought they made an aggressive offer. This was also one year after they felt they got burned by Texeira, so they may have figured Holliday would use them to drive up the offer from St. Louis. They had money allocated for one big signing that off season and they felt Bay was a health risk so they went with Lackey, despite his injury concern as well.
Yeah, that's the excuse. It's the same every year.
My hope is that your statement above is proven to be false with the reinstatement of Luccino as the go to guy...
In the end it was Epstein that was charged with the oversight of the roster. Since wrestling control from his mentor in the very public contract squable that led to his ursurping Luccino's authority and taking over as the head of baseball operations in the winter of 2006. Most of the troubles and the dysfuction of our team can be traced back to that episode. Fractured leadership is never a good thing...While Henry still controlled the purse strings, what was a model organziation with Luccino leading the day to day operation of the team. Surrounded by a group of up and coming professionals. Slowly eroded and cleary the dynamics at play within the inner office of the Red Sox became strained and manifested itself on the field. Make no mistake about it Luccino knows how to play the game and I'm not sure that his voice carried the same authority after he was repositioned. Those that were loyal to him I'm pretty sure were left in an uncomfortable position or I'm sure that his being repositioned led to some of them leaving.
Meanwhile Henry, in support of Epstein never once veto'd any decision made by him and as such. At the end of the day, due to some curious roster moves that left the team void of on-field leadership. Which ulimately led to Francona being fired and the purge of Agon, Beckett and Crawford. The demise of the team and the dysfuction of the front office, lays squarely at his feet and Henry's to a lessor degree Luccino's. Which is why he's now in Chicago and Luccino is back in the leadership role. Time will tell if Henry made the right choice in sticking with Luccino in the winter of 2010 and not forcing his retirement. Insteadof promoting Espstien to the position he coveted "President and CEO".
In looking back now that the dust has settled. IMHO the offseason, after we were elimanted in 2008 is where the genesis of the collapse of 2011 can be traced. It started with the trade of Manny for Bay during the season and was further exasorbated by the courting of Texiera and the debacle that ensued after he chose the Yanks over the Sox in the winter of 2008...Leaving Henry with a little egg on his face. I'm pretty sure that Henry was not pleased with his GM for his handling of the negotiations. You don't set-up a press conference and have your owner board a plane and fly to Texas having not dotted all the i's crossed all the t's.
The failure to sign Texiera served as a warning to Henry that something was amiss with his charge and lost on him and Epstein was the cause and effect the public nature of the courtship would have on the lockerroom. Specifically IMHO it served to strained their relationship with Youkilis, who at the time was a gold glove, All Star 1B with an OPS above .900. After failing to sign Tex and still in need of a middle of the order bat led to them aquiring Victor Martinez in the summer of 2009. Trading away valuable assets for a middle of the order bat to serve as our primary catcher and then adding the free agent aquisition of Beltre to replace the departed Bay with no real intent to lock either of them up. Rather to have both hold down the 3-4-5-6 hole spots with Papi and Youk. While they targeted the next new shiny toy in AGon. Once more firing a shot accross Youks bow. While they did recoup draft picks in allowing Bay, then V-Mart & Beltre to walk. Passing on Holiday and signing Lackey in the winter of 2010 was one of those head scratching decisions. That at the time, I thought was a mistake and today in hindsight given what's transpired with the roster since. It;s prove to be somewhat prophetic...
My feeling is that where we erred as an organization specifically Epstein, was not in the quest to win, rather in understanding the human element and the importance of the makeup of a ballclub. Which led to Epstein extending Beckett who he saw as the staff leader and didn't want the Lackey deal to cause Beckett to feel as though he wasn't the still seen as the ACE and then the signing of Crawford was perhaps the most curious of all given the makeup of the team (The unfortunate illness that befelled young Westmoreland alos played a role). A signing at the time that I was in favor of having not signed Holiday the previous year. Curious none the less in that Crawford simply was not an organizational fit given his lack of plate disipline....spilt milk
All of the above moves had a cause and effect on the fortunes of the team and in my humble opinion it was Epstein and Henry's facination with the cost benefit and value of the draft pick compensation that led them to not see the real value in having guys like Bay, Martinez and Beltre on the team...All of them were pro's, pro's...While I too would have let Bay walk...It would have been far more palateable had they then signed Holiday. Once they made the decision to court Texiera another decision I supported, you would have thought they'd have sat with Youk and got his buyin...Again he was the one effected by the move and as a veteran leader of the team with All Star credentials. Asking him to move accross the diamond and getting his buyin before making public your intent to aquire another All Star 1B should have been the first order of buisness. Or they should have once they inked Beltre, then traded Youk and I am of the opinion that had they done that along with inking Holiday and then making the Gonzalez deal...Our roster today and the fortunes of the team would be starkly different....
In short my hope is that the lessoned learned is that synergy is a key componant in team sports. In my mind team is synonomus with Synergy...Where when the dynamic is right. The results are greater, than the sum of the parts.
hmmm...looks like a pretty potent lineup to me...
So, this is Luccino behind this playing it halfway plan? I'm not sure we are better off now than with Theo. At least Theo had a plan that tried to make us serious contenders. What we have now is no plan to help the now or the later, except to not trade away our prospects.