ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
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    Why would the Red Sox trade Jacoby Ellsbury, a better player and better value, along with the farm to get Upton.

    Some people are born stupid, others are ignorant.

    Justin Upton, at age 25, has twice as many carerer HR as Ellspuff. Never played a season in front of Pedroia and AGon and Ortiz in Fenway, but has over 100 career RBI's more than Ellspuff. Since become an everyday MLB starter at age 21, J. Upton has never played less than 133 games ia season in his first four years, and has averaged over 150 games a season over the last two years.

    Justin Upton and "bad attitude" is a racist bugaboo. He's a perfectionist and a hard worker who shows up for work. Ellsbury has a bad attidue in the most area, showing up for work.

    J. Upton has a career OPS+ of  117

    Ellspuff has a career OPS+ of 106

    And for the idiot talking about value, J. Upton is on the 2013 books for what will likely be almost the exact same costs after Ellspuff gets a standard minimum years of service increase from arbitration or to avoid arbitration contract settlement.

    Ellsbury will thankfully be a bad debt for another team in a matter of months, now, so acquiring J. Upton who is under contract for multi-year should be a priority. And now that Shane's been given an absurd contract, what Cherry is waiting on with his "Shane in RF" and Ellspuff and 23 million for 2013, he is without doubt incompetent.

    Southpaux, knock it off. Tell the Board what contract offer you are making for "huge potential" for Ellsbury from 2014 et seq.

    Better to put Ellbury and his draft compensation on the market for ATL or TX , aad add the prospectn to Webster or De La Rosa and add Brentz and add any other farm prospect except Barnes and Bogearts and Bradley, Jr. (Add Bogearts if other bids are better, unlikely)

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      Just the idiotic pile of nonsense/drivel I would expect from you, Softpuff.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    It is still not too late to get this difference maker.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    Is Upton really that good of a hitter?  His career road line is only 250/325/406.

    937 home OPS, 731 road OPS.

    Last year his road OPS was a dismal 670.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    Is Upton really that good of a hitter?  His career road line is only 250/325/406.

    937 home OPS, 731 road OPS.

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    He's only 25 (turns 26 in August).

    He has 3 years of team control.

    He's way better than anyone else we have to bat 4th or 5th right now.

    He's available.

     

    The road OPS is troublesome, but he played a lot of road games in SD, LAD and SF. In tiny tiny sample sizes he is over 1.000 in AL East parks and vs all AL East teams.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    justin upton in LF would look pretty good right about now, much better than gomes/kalish platoon. 

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    justin upton in LF would look pretty good right about now, much better than gomes/kalish platoon. 

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    Gomes would become a pretty expensive 4th OF'er and back-up DH.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    justin upton in LF would look pretty good right about now, much better than gomes/kalish platoon. 

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    Gomes would become a pretty expensive 4th OF'er and back-up DH.

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    Not a big deal...they could trade him come July. 

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    Perhaps

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    Is Upton really that good of a hitter?  His career road line is only 250/325/406.

    937 home OPS, 731 road OPS.

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    He's only 25 (turns 26 in August).

    He has 3 years of team control.

    He's way better than anyone else we have to bat 4th or 5th right now.

    He's available.

     

    The road OPS is troublesome, but he played a lot of road games in SD, LAD and SF. In tiny tiny sample sizes he is over 1.000 in AL East parks and vs all AL East teams.

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    I haven't even seen him play, but the numbers don't knock me out at all.  He's got a career OPS+ of 117.  Napoli's is 126.  Yet you say Upton is way better.  Is it possible that Upton is over-hyped?  He had a fine season in 2011 but then a lousy one in 2012.  Two of the last three years his OPS is under .800.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:
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    Is Upton really that good of a hitter?  His career road line is only 250/325/406.

    937 home OPS, 731 road OPS.

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    He's only 25 (turns 26 in August).

    He has 3 years of team control.

    He's way better than anyone else we have to bat 4th or 5th right now.

    He's available.

     

    The road OPS is troublesome, but he played a lot of road games in SD, LAD and SF. In tiny tiny sample sizes he is over 1.000 in AL East parks and vs all AL East teams.

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    I haven't even seen him play, but the numbers don't knock me out at all.  He's got a career OPS+ of 117.  Napoli's is 126.  Yet you say Upton is way better.  Is it possible that Upton is over-hyped?  He had a fine season in 2011 but then a lousy one in 2012.  Two of the last three years his OPS is under .800.

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    He played hurt for part of last year. He is 25. He is better than Napoli by far.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    Does J. Upton play in the AL with the DH lineups?

    Normally, you hold it against a player to be from the NL moving to the AL East.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    He played hurt for part of last year. He is 25. He is better than Napoli by far.

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    I'm sure he is.  But you have to admit his raw numbers are not eye-popping thus far.

     

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    He played hurt for part of last year. He is 25. He is better than Napoli by far.

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    I'm sure he is.  But you have to admit his raw numbers are not eye-popping thus far.

     

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    Can you name many other 25 year olds that have hit 108 HRs with an OBP over .355?

    From ages 22-25 he has hit .286/.362/.485/.846. Name some other guys doing that, especially while playing in a division with 3 of the best pitcher's parks in MLB.

    There are only 13 players in MLB with as many PAs as Justin the last 4 years and an OPS over .846.

    I'd say a top 14 hitter over a huge sample size of 4 years at the age of 25 is something very very special.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    Even if he doesn't improve and gives us just .846 for 3 years (unlikely that low), he's better than what we have right now.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    Today from an Arizona website:

    http://arizonasports.com/42/1599929/Report-Dbacks-Mariners-talk-Upton-trade

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    I heard the O's were very interested but AZ wants some young pitchers.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    Normally, you hold it against a player to be from the NL moving to the AL East.

    Normally, I discount the numbers of a pitcher in the NL who has never closed the deal for a title. J. Upton is not a pitcher, so the opposite factor is at hand.

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    Ahhh, a guy facing the pitchers you speak of is actually better than his numbers indicate. 

    You betcha!

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

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    I'm sure J. Upton wants no part of Seattle, which is the armpit of the AL. He can veto any deal and make the Seattle pipe dream elsewhere. Unless Seattle adds a big extension, he can list them at the beginning of this year as one of the teams on his "no-trade list" that he has to waive (which means leverage for the player seeking more money)

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    Ever been to Seattle or Safeco Field? Money's are not an issue with the Mariners ownership they have the means to spend up 100M or more on total payroll. And they have 3 young guns in AA they could frame a deal around one of, if the D-Backs are looking for pitching in return.

     
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    Re: ESPN proposes Sox trade for JUpton

    Upton may or may not like the Seattle area or dimensions of their park, but I still think we have the pieces AZ wants to get the deal done, even if we have to trade Ellsbury to a 3rd team to make it happen.

     

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