Re: Francona's Indians - last place and nowhere to hide...
posted at 5/24/2013 5:39 AM EDT
In response to stapleton's comment:
In response to SinceYaz's comment:
Oh wait .... Tito got a team that anyone could turn into forerunners.
Sorta like the Sox.
Except no one else, no matter how you classify it, color it, cramp it, be conflicted about it, made the Sox champions. Not in my father's 93 year lifetime except back in 1917 and 1918, when he was in his toddling years.
And Bobby Valentine proved having championship calibre doesn't mean squat when you can't lead.
that same group of players that rolled over and was responsible for the epic collapse in Sept 2011 a championship calibre team? Hardly. Also, if the wildcard had been around during that time between 1918 and the 90's -- the Sox would have won at leat one, probably more, championships during that stretch. Just adding a little reality to the discussion.
That's realy not "adding reality."
From 1918 to 1961, there were only 8 teams in the AL. The Sox only came in first out of 8 one time on that stretch. With 8 teams (and no divisions), there was no need for a Wild Card. THe 1960's were not exactly better, save 1967. I think we can all assume the reason the Sox did not win in 1967 had nothing to do with a lack of a WC.
The Sox did have 6 second place finishes in that '18-'61 tretch, and had a WC existed this is when they would have claimed it. But earning a WC slot with 8 teams is just not the same as taking one with 14 or (now) 15 teams. And assuming one or more championships out of 6 seasons is a little bit optimisitic.
So that really leaves 1969 to, say, 1993 as the era where a WC might have helped the Sox win a title. They certainly fielded some good teams in that stretch, but so did a lot of ball clubs that did not win anything. Again, the Sox would have qualified for the WC in 1973 and 1978 under the original rules (which were for 3 divisions, not two). In 1977, they would have had a play-in game against Baltimore.
So, 8 or 9 more post-season chances and you guarantee one or more WS wins? It's not that easy. Ask Atlanta..