Good game to lose

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    Good game to lose

    Shields was good tonight, so it didn't matter that much that Saltalamacchia couldn't handle that knuckler.  Interesting that Wake threw so many pitches. 

    But I have to comment on Youk's approach to the plate, which is the same as it's always been.  Take that first pitch, regardless.  So tonight in the 1st he had Ellsbury on 3B and Gonzalez on 1B with one man out.  He should have at least been expecting to swing if Shields grooved a fast ball, which he in fact did.  And he did it because everyone knows that Youk rarely swings at a first pitch and certainly not at the first one he's seen in a game.  Thereafter Shields threw basically trash, but good enough to strike Youk out on a changeup so far inside it almost hit Youk and certainly made him look foolish.

    This is at least the fourth time this year Youk has come up with a man on third and one or no outs--and he failed to drive in a run.  Even Ellsbury, who got a first pitch line drive single on his second at bat, has figured out that sometimes it's OK to swing at that first pitch when it's what and where you want it. 

    Don't mistake criticism for disliking Youk.  I think he's terrific, especially when he moved back to 3B to make room for Gonzalez.    He was pretty better at 1B, but he's good enough at 3B and hitting wise is a step up from most thirdbasemen in the AL--as AGon is over most firstbasemen.  But his OPS and batting average are down this year, and I think he should make that one adjustment--be prepared to swing at a first pitch that is what you want. 
     
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    Re: Good game to lose

    There is NEVER a Good game to Lose !! Period !! Youk Didn't look like the only lost soul out there tonight. 
     
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    Good pitching stops good hitting. Period.
    That is why it is and always has been the over-riding factor.

     
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    Re: Good game to lose

    Wastefield was not good pitching, 5 walks and a wild pitch and smoke and mirrors against one of the weakest offenses in baseball.
     
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    A 1.28 ERA (1 ER  7 IP)  1.286 WHIP:  Ooooohhh Just horrid!!!

    Dice practically averaged 5 BB's a game.
    Wake has now walked 19 hitters in 55 IP
     
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    Another excellent game by Wake!  What a VALUE pitcher!  :)

    Too bad we ran into truly excellent #1 pitching!

    What else can you do but tip your cap to Sheilds??
     
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    Too bad we have morons on here who would like nothing more than to knock Red Sox players for doing what they're being paid to do!  Spot starts!  Desperately needed!  Doing it very well!  2 ER in 7 :)  Please Betterdead!  You really sound like a bitter moron, desperate to have any Red Sox player you deem unworthy FAIL!  You ARE A Yankee fan!
     
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    Would have been nice to see Miller, instead of 5 walks and a wildpitch from Wastefield. Miller struggling beats Wastefield at his best. Miller, at his best, would have beat Shields. At his worst, it wouldn't have mattered. 
     
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    In Response to Good game to lose:
    [QUOTE]Shields was good tonight, so it didn't matter that much that Saltalamacchia couldn't handle that knuckler.  Interesting that Wake threw so many pitches.  But I have to comment on Youk's approach to the plate, which is the same as it's always been.  Take that first pitch, regardless.  So tonight in the 1st he had Ellsbury on 3B and Gonzalez on 1B with one man out.  He should have at least been expecting to swing if Shields grooved a fast ball, which he in fact did.  And he did it because everyone knows that Youk rarely swings at a first pitch and certainly not at the first one he's seen in a game.  Thereafter Shields threw basically trash, but good enough to strike Youk out on a changeup so far inside it almost hit Youk and certainly made him look foolish. This is at least the fourth time this year Youk has come up with a man on third and one or no outs--and he failed to drive in a run.  Even Ellsbury, who got a first pitch line drive single on his second at bat, has figured out that sometimes it's OK to swing at that first pitch when it's what and where you want it.  Don't mistake criticism for disliking Youk.  I think he's terrific, especially when he moved back to 3B to make room for Gonzalez.    He was pretty better at 1B, but he's good enough at 3B and hitting wise is a step up from most thirdbasemen in the AL--as AGon is over most firstbasemen.  But his OPS and batting average are down this year, and I think he should make that one adjustment--be prepared to swing at a first pitch that is what you want. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    Max, I suggest you watch the replay of the game, if you have access.
    First of all, Youk came in hitting less than .100 against Shields.
    In the first frame, with runners at the corners, it's a good idea to see what Shields has working on this given night. Recall, he was wild vs. Jake.

    If Youk had popped up on the first swing, we'd we getting: "How the hell can he swing at a first pitch hitting a buck against this guy???".
    His approach was correct. He worked the count to 2-2, then got a meatball that he fouled back. That was his pitch. He had a better idea of how to gauge Shield's velocity at that point. That's why baseball is a game of inches. That could have easily been a double given an inch the other way.

    Hard to critique Youk's hitting. He's had a pretty nice career.
     
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    In Response to Good game to lose:
    [QUOTE]This is at least the fourth time this year Youk has come up with a man on third and one or no outs--and he failed to drive in a run.
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]
    Going into Tuesday's game, Kevin Youkilis was 1-for14 (.071) with six RBI and nine strikeouts this season with a runner on third base and fewer than two outs:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=youklke01&year=2011&t=b
     
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    Going into Tuesday's game, Kevin Youkilis:

    With runner on 3rd, less than two out: .396 BA  .435 OBP  1.047 OPS

    134 RBI's in 134 AB

    Career numbers, including this season.

    Ref: Baseball-ref.com...
     
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    [QUOTE]Going into Tuesday's game, Kevin Youkilis: With runner on 3rd, less than two out: .396 BA  .435 OBP  1.047 OPS 134 RBI's in 134 AB Career numbers, including this season. Ref: Baseball-ref.com...
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Good game to lose

    That's the best you've got? Less or fewer? Shame on you Hill.
    Less is quite applicable in this context.

    You stick to UR 14 AB sample.
    I'll stay with 134 of them.
     
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    In Response to Re: Good game to lose:
    [QUOTE]That's the best you've got? Less or fewer ? Shame on you Hill . Less is quite applicable in this context. You stick to UR 14 AB sample. I'll stay with 134 of them.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]
    I merely did some fact-checking when the OP wrote: "This is at least the fourth time this year Youk has come up with a man on third and one or no outs--and he failed to drive in a run." Nothing more, nothing less.

    Why did you boldface "less" in your response?
     
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    Re: Good game to lose

    maxi good post
     
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    Re: Good game to lose

    The "less"  bold type was in no way referencing your post, Hill.
    I just wanted to make sure it wasn't mistaken for zero, one or two outs.
    Regret any confusion.

    I just think it's wiser to show the whole picture, not just a 14 AB 10% sliver.

    Things tend to even out over time. To expect Youk to continue to carry a career BA near .400 in that situation isn't realistic. Sooner or later, it's gonna shrink some.

    Peace.
     
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    Re: Good game to lose

    Watching Larry The Cable Guy work in a sausage factory. A lot better than watching Wakefield pitch.

    The Red Sox players must have read this loser thread, and decided it was a good game to lose. Wastefield had to have thier confidence sky high.
     
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    But you just stated on the game thread that you watched the game...that you watched Wake pitch.

    That wouldn't be a  lie,  would it?

     
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    Re: Good game to lose

    crawford continues to not impress.
     
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    [QUOTE]Would have been nice to see Miller, instead of 5 walks and a wildpitch from Wastefield. Miller struggling beats Wastefield at his best. Miller, at his best, would have beat Shields. At his worst, it wouldn't have mattered. 
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]

    time to ban this JERK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Re: Good game to lose

    Rays have talented starting pitchers no doubt.  Wake kept us in the game for 7 innings.  Good to have smoke and mirrors stuff when it works.  How is Andrew Miller going to fit into the puzzle.  He gets the call up becuase Theo knows he will opt out and the Yankees are desperate for starters.  If Miller isn't called up today he will start Thursday for the Yankees aginst Texas inseard of Gordon.
     
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    Re: Good game to lose

      YOUK IS HAVING A TOUGH TIME WITH THE INSIDE STUFF !!!  AND AT CLEAN-UP, NEEDS TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE !!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Good game to lose:
    [QUOTE]The "less"  bold type was in no way referencing your post, Hill . I just wanted to make sure it wasn't mistaken for zero, one or two outs. Regret any confusion. I just think it's wiser to show the whole picture, not just a 14 AB 10% sliver. Things tend to even out over time. To expect Youk to continue to carry a career BA near .400 in that situation isn't realistic. Sooner or later, it's gonna shrink some. Peace.

    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    But what youk did last year or the year before has nothing to do with this year. The dude is not the feared hitter he once was.

     
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    "the dude is not the feared hitter he once was."--babe


    you could just as well be referring to a-rod. this punk is not the feared hitter he once was.
     
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    Re: Good game to lose

    "Would have been nice to see Miller, instead of 5 walks and a wildpitch from Wastefield. Miller struggling beats Wastefield at his best. Miller, at his best, would have beat Shields. At his worst, it wouldn't have mattered."

    How does Miller win if the Sox don't score any runs?
     

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