Re: Have we seen enough of Lavarnway and Iggy?
posted at 9/15/2012 8:57 AM EDT
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
First off. Anyone who wants to write a prospect off after 1 month in the bigs has no idea what they are talking about. That would mean guys like Pedey and many others would have been given up on. And that is just position players. Catchers are a whole different story. Their developmant time is much longer as there is a lot more to it than a regular position player or pitcher. Its more physically demanding, they have a lot more work to do with their pitchers and knowing all the hitters around the league and on and on...Oh, and then theres their own offense, which is usually last on that list because as we all know catching is a defense FIRST position.
Now, although Lav hasnt looked that great behind the plate, he should keep getting time there. I dont think making him the #1 catcher in the organization next year is even a consideration at this point, although I wouldnt write the kid off just yet. Hes only 24 and should still improve some once he learns how to move that big 6'4 frame of his around a little better behind the plate and handle the staff a bit better. I would guess that his offensive numbers have suffered this year due to all the time spent on defense and taking care of his pitching staff. We all know the kid can rake, so I woulkdnt worry about that. He needs to improve that defense in order to prove the scouts wrong who say, at best, hes a BU catcher/1b/DH type.I would go with Salty starting next year and give Lav more time in AAA to work on that defense. By the end of 2013 I think you will know where you stand on both catchers.
As far as Iggy goes...He 22 and relied completely on his defense to get him here. Its not easy to hit MLB pitching. Hes played at an advanced level for his age at every level. His only 22! He was starting to show signs of turning the corner offensively in AAA when he was called up. I would also give him another year in AAA to see if he can indeed turn that offensive corner. Now, is he going to be a 280-300 hitter? probably not. But if he can maintain 240-260ish, which is very possible, with a 320 OBP, that would be easier to deal with considering hes a perenial GG at SS. Ad with Lavarnway, one more year in AAA.
Who is writing off o prospect after 1 month? I have seen Iggy atPortland, Pawtucket and now Boston. That's over 2 years, minus time lost due to injury. Not 1 month.
Of course I don't care about the errors at the moment. Iggy is a fielding wizard. But I wrote BDC over 1 year ago about his arm and how he needs to clean up his "lazy" throws. I have also seen very minimal plate discipline improvement. He is still making the same mistakes at bat that he made in Portland
Iggys glove still makes him adesirable prospect. I wonder if a player like Iggy has more value with a team like the Giants, pitching based, playing for one run, and in need of SS defense. Iggy is passed, or will be passed by Marrero and Boegarts anyways, and Aviles can hold down the position until they are ready.
I think you are right that a guy like Iggy would have more value to another team. We have two more, IMO, better all-around SS in our system in Bogaerts and Marrerothat would fit this team better.
I do believe that Iggy WILL turn that corner offensivley...I also think he will never be a .280 hitter with a high OBP. Ive noticed a bit more patience at the plate and some better swings from Iggy. Nothing signifigant, but some slight progress.
I think at some point Iggy will be in a trade. Lave still needs work, but is improving great for a guy that has only caught for about 4 years or so.