Hot Stove League Discussion Thread

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    Ken Rosenthal/FoxSports      

    Explaining the holdup on Lovullo: http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/explaining_the_holdup_on_lovullo/14968745?new_post=true 

     
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    Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 12m

    #RedSox outrighted OF Quintin Berry and IF Brandon Snyder off the 40-man roster. They are free agents.

     
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    NESN - Sports News and Updates

    Ben Cherington Says Red Sox View Will Middlebrooks as Third Baseman, Not Ready to Consider Move to First Base
     
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    Jenny Dell - NESN, Red Sox Beat Reporter

    OFFICIAL: Additionally, RHPs Andrew Bailey and Alex Wilson, OF Ryan Kalish, and LHP Andrew Miller were reinstated from the 60-day DL.
     
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    Mets dont lose a 1st, neither does the Mariners. You sign Choo Sox lose a 1st.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

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    Miller is a Loogy, a lot of money for that.

     



    Umm.... not really:

     

    2013

    vs RHBs: .155/.319/.207/.526

    vs LHBs: .281/.339/.386/.725

     



     2011  RHB hit 7 hrs compared to 1 HR against lefties, 2012 RHB hit .263, lefties hit, .149. So your right, this year turned around, so that tells me, this guy is inconsistent.
    If a Lefthanded Pitcher that throw in mid 90's cant get a Lefthanded batter out, you actually proved my point, not even a good Loogy.

     3 years in Boston 131 innings, 78 BB's. Never been a fan of him. Think he's overated.

     
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     Follow David O'Brien@ajcbraves

    8 teams have contacted #Braves FA pitcher Hudson, including Red Sox, Giants, A's, Rangers. ATL made him 1-yr offer (not qualifying offer)

     
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    Red Sox tendered one-year qualifying offers to Drew, Ellsbury, Napoli. Did not tender qualifying offers to Hanrahan, Saltalamacchia.

     
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    Ken Rosenthal/FoxSports      

    Sources: Red Sox’s Lovullo will indeed interview with Cubs, most likely early this week.

     
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    In response to crazyworldoftroybrown's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to crazyworldoftroybrown's comment:

     

    Miller is a Loogy, a lot of money for that.

     



    Umm.... not really:

     

    2013

    vs RHBs: .155/.319/.207/.526

    vs LHBs: .281/.339/.386/.725

     



     2011  RHB hit 7 hrs compared to 1 HR against lefties, 2012 RHB hit .263, lefties hit, .149. So your right, this year turned around, so that tells me, this guy is inconsistent.
    If a Lefthanded Pitcher that throw in mid 90's cant get a Lefthanded batter out, you actually proved my point, not even a good Loogy.

     3 years in Boston 131 innings, 78 BB's. Never been a fan of him. Think he's overated.

    [/QUOTE]

    I'm not a big fan either, but since he became a relief pitcher, his numbers have improved.

     
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    Buster Olney/ESPN      

    Brian McCann makes a ton of sense for BOS, to fill need at catcher in the next couple of years, DH later. David Ross can help w/ recruiting.

     
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    In response to Kingface12's comment:
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    In response to seannybboi's comment:
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    Choo - LF (20-20 guy with high OBP, one of the killer arm to throw out at home)

    Victorino - RF (GG at RF)

    Pedey - 2B

    Papi - DH

    Bogaerts - SS 

    McCann - C (20+ HR, can shift to DH when Papi retires, McCann and Ross for SP)

    Naps - 1B

    Middlebrooks - 3B

    JBJ - CF

    Bench: Nava (1B/LF), Gomes (LF), Ross (C), Brendan Ryan (UTIL)

     

    Lester-Buchholz-Peavy-Doubront-Lackey

    BP: Workman, Britton, Bailey, Miller, Breslow, Taz, Uehara

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    I would be pretty happy with that....however I really do not want JBJ in center.  I'd feel better with Vic in center and Nava in left with Choo in Right. I also would like to see another power bat coming in.  Maybe a trade that includes WMB, JBJ and a young stud pitcher not named Owens could get us a very good power bat to play the OF or 1B.....who knows.

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    This is exactly what I am looking for as well.

    With Drew accepting the 1 year and playing SS while the team waits for Marrero. Xander at 3B. A guy like Bloomquist at utility or trade for Barney from the Cubs as Notin suggested. Drew was sub .200 avg and .300 OBP vs. lefties while splist over the last 3 yrs have Bloomquist hitting .314/.355 against them.

    I don't think we can afford both McCann and Choo, although it would be incredible, both would cost 5/90 or 6/105 in my opinion. Hard if Drew is here at 14.1.

    However, if the team could package Middlebrooks and Dempster (if Peavy if absolutely needed) for an OF that makes far less than the 14m they do AND restructure/extend Lackey (4 years 30 instead of 1 year 15 and 1 year 500k?) then maybe they can afford both of those guys.

    Carlso Gonzalez starts making a LOT of money for the Rockies after a modest 10.5m next year (16-17-20). Are they going to be contenders? Would they want to pay that for him after age 30? Looks like he played one full season in 5. But he is Ellsbury with a little more OBP, twice the power and half the steals. I don't see Nolan Arenado and his .301 OBP being any better than Middlebrooks, but with Helton gone they could put Middlebrooks at 3B.

    I would trade Dempster, Middlebrooks and Jackie Bradley Jr. for Gonzalez. Probably not enough though. Carloz Gomez of the Brewers went for .284/.338 with 24 HR's. A nice 3 yr 24m left and a righty CFer to put between lefty Choo and switch Shane. Dempster and JBJ for him? Low OBP's in previous years a concern though.

    Then there is Ryan Braun. Haha. Are Brewers fans really forgiving and ready to embrace him? That is a LOT of cheese he is owed. 7 years 114m.

    But...

    He is 1 year younger than Ells. His power isn't all from performance enhancers of course. Say he won't hit .319-.332 like he did in 4 seasons, have an OBP of .370-.397 or have 32-41 home runs like he did in another 5. But you would get .275-.305, .345-.360 with 22-28 HR's, 32-38 doubles, something like 85 runs scored and 105 RBI's a year and very good LF defense. Isn't that worth 7/116 when Ells is looking for 6/126? Power lasts longer than speed.

    He also only makes 10 and 12m the next 2 years while Victorino is here at 13 and 13. Then when Shane is gone and someone like Brentz is here we can better afford the 19m he would make. Dempster, Middlebrooks and JBJ for Braun? I have not seen any evidence that the Brewers are trying to trade him. He is the anti-Sox good vibe awesome teammate though.

    Justin Ruggiano was another guy notin mentioned who I liked the idea of.

     
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    Scott Lauber/BostonHerald      

    Farrell on Workman's role (starter or reliever): "If you poll 10 people in organization, it might be a split camp"

     
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    Scott Lauber/BostonHerald      

    Red Sox view starting pitching as "position of strength and depth," Cherington said. Could envision scenario of all 6 veteran SPs in camp

     
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    Scott Lauber/BostonHerald      

    Source suggested Saltalamacchia could draw interest from White Sox, Cubs, Phillies, Marlins and possibly Yankees

     
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    Now is the funnest time of year. I get to sit back and read a bunch of trade proposals that will never happen except in a video game. You know, the "we'll give you our scraps for your all-star player who isnt available" type deals.

    I would put money on WMB 3b, Xander SS, Pedey 2b, Napoli 1b for the infield. Shane in RF, Gmoes/Nava LF, and the rotation looks to be crowded right now with Buch, Lester, Lackey, Peavy, Dempster, Doubront, and now Workman. With Webster, Ranaudo, Barnes and soon to be Owens waiting at AAA.

    CF and catcher are the big ?'s. I dont think they fully trust JBJ just yet, like Iggy this year. We might see an OF'er brought in as well as a catcher and a couple pen arms like always. I hardly doubt they play WMB at 1b and Xander at 3b like some of you GM's would like to see. It makes no sense to play 2 young guys out of their natural positions, and where they are less valuable.

    Does Ben have a big trade up his sleeve? Maybe, but it will have to make sense and not deplete the farm.

     
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    Buster Olney/ESPN      

    Brian McCann makes a ton of sense for BOS, to fill need at catcher in the next couple of years, DH later. David Ross can help w/ recruiting.

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    He will want way more than 2 years.

    He does not project to be a top tier 1Bman or DH.

    We have Lava, Butler, Vazquez, Swihart, and Denny rising in the ranks.

    Pass.

     
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    I don't think we can afford both McCann and Choo, although it would be incredible, both would cost 5/90 or 6/105 in my opinion. Hard if Drew is here at 14.1.

    We can afford them if we dump Dempster without paying much of his deal and restructure Lackey's deal. We may have to let Bailey go as well.

    I doubt we sign 2 guys with QOs, but since we may gain 3, I could see us signing 1 for a net gain of 2 picks.

     

    Carlos Gonzalez starts making a LOT of money for the Rockies after a modest 10.5m next year (16-17-20). Are they going to be contenders? Would they want to pay that for him after age 30? Looks like he played one full season in 5. But he is Ellsbury with a little more OBP, twice the power and half the steals. I don't see Nolan Arenado and his .301 OBP being any better than Middlebrooks, but with Helton gone they could put Middlebrooks at 3B.

    Carlos G has a career .887 OPS, but that is heavily influenced by his 1.033 OPS at Coors.

    His career home/road splits are .992/.795 (which includes some bad home numbers the year he was with Oakland).

    Pass.

     
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    Now is the funnest time of year. I get to sit back and read a bunch of trade proposals that will never happen except in a video game. You know, the "we'll give you our scraps for your all-star player who isnt available" type deals.

    I would put money on WMB 3b, Xander SS, Pedey 2b, Napoli 1b for the infield. Shane in RF, Gmoes/Nava LF, and the rotation looks to be crowded right now with Buch, Lester, Lackey, Peavy, Dempster, Doubront, and now Workman. With Webster, Ranaudo, Barnes and soon to be Owens waiting at AAA.

    CF and catcher are the big ?'s. I dont think they fully trust JBJ just yet, like Iggy this year. We might see an OF'er brought in as well as a catcher and a couple pen arms like always. I hardly doubt they play WMB at 1b and Xander at 3b like some of you GM's would like to see. It makes no sense to play 2 young guys out of their natural positions, and where they are less valuable.

    Does Ben have a big trade up his sleeve? Maybe, but it will have to make sense and not deplete the farm.

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    I do think you are right about what Ben will choose to do. I could see him obtaining a cheap CF'er to cover JBJ in case he struggles. They do not want to move Victorino from RF.

    I could see us signing Suzuki for 2 years. Ross leaves after 2014 to make room for Lava or Vazquez, and after Suzuki's time runs out, hopefully Vazquez or Swihart will be ready. Then, there is Denny getting close by then.

     
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    Pete Abraham ‏@PeteAbe 8h

    As Stephen Drew contemplates qualifying offers, worth noting he stuck around Boston for 2 days after the parade. He likes it here. #redsox

     

     

    Pete Abraham ‏@PeteAbe 8h

    Bet the #RedSox sign a former closer type of guy on the relative cheap as Uehara insurance.

       
     
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    Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 12m

    #RedSox outrighted OF Quintin Berry and IF Brandon Snyder off the 40-man roster. They are free agents.

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    Thornton, Berry and Snyder are gone off the 40 man...

    Here's a look at the updated framework we are starting with:

    The 2014  Forty  man Roster and Rule 5 Possibilities (listed by team seniority):

    I believe we have 36 on the roster now:

    1) Ortiz

    2) Lester

    3) Pedroia

    4) Buccholz (60 Day DL)

    5) Doubront

    6) Tazawa

    7) Lackey

    8) Kalish 

    9) Morales

    10) Miller 

    11) Lavarnway

    12) Middlebrooks

    13) Britton

    14) Bailey 

    15) Nava

    16) Breslow

    17) Ross

    18) Webster

    19) de la Rosa

    20) Wilson 

    21) Wright

    22) Butler

    23) Vazquez

    24) Hassan

    25) Gomes

    26) Victorino

    27) Uehara

    28) Dempster

    29) Holt

    30) Carp

    31) Bradley

    32) Workman

    33) Villareal

    34) Peavy

    35) Bogaerts

    36) Castellanos

    Blue= May be traded or DFA'd to make room for those needing rule 5 protection.

     

    Minor League Free Agents to be, unless added to the 40 Man roster in November:

    Alfredo Aceves, Ronald Bermudez, Anthony Carter, Miguel Celestino, Ryan Dent, Jonathan Diaz, Marco Duarte, Vladimir Frias, Charlie Haeger, Mark Hamilton, Justin Henry, Brock Huntzinger, Bobby Lanigan, Will Latimer, Mitch Maier, Matt Maloney, Jack McGeary, Eric Niesen, Gerardo Olivares, Rafael Perez, Manny Rivera, Alberto Rosario, Ryan Rowland-Smith, Matt Spring, Drew Sutton, Tony Thomas

     

    Rule 5 Eligible (must be added to the 40 man roster by Nov 20):

    Mario Alcantara, Michael Almanzar, Chris Balcom-Miller, Carson Blair,Bryce Brentz, Chris Carpenter, Garin Cecchini, Keith Couch, William Cuevas, Keury De La Cruz, Luis Diaz, Leonel Escobar, Derrik Gibson, Dreily Guerrero, Jayson Hernandez, Chris Hernandez, Peter Hissey, Aaron King, Aaron Kurcz, Juan Carlos Linares, Heiker Meneses, Boss Moanaroa, Yunior Ortega, Oscar Perez, Mathew Price, Anthony Ranaudo, Nate Reed, David Renfroe, Pete Ruiz, Felix Sanchez, Kyle Stroup, Francisco Taveras, Raynel Velette, Jose Vinicio, Kolbrin Vitek, Shannon Wilkerson, Madison Younginer

    I'd say de la Cruz and Almanzar may not get drafted Rule 5, but the following probably need to be protected or lost:

    1) Cecchini

    2) Ranaudo

    3) L Diaz

    4) Brentz

     

    If we sign 4 free agents: OF, SS/3B, 1B and RP somethings got to give. 4 free agents plus 4 rule 5 protected roster moves makes about 4 that need to be added to the 40 man roster.

    See the players in blue to determine who must go to make room, unless we pull off a 2 or 3 for 1 deal or two somewhere pretty soon.

     

     
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    [QUOTE]Pete Abraham ‏@PeteAbe 8h

    As Stephen Drew contemplates qualifying offers, worth noting he stuck around Boston for 2 days after the parade. He likes it here. #redsox

     

     Is 2 days a long time?

     

     

    Pete Abraham ‏@PeteAbe 8h

    Bet the #RedSox sign a former closer type of guy on the relative cheap as Uehara insurance.

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    I like Mujica as that man.

     
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    Scott Lauber/BostonHerald      

    Agent: Red Sox 'would be a consideration' for Brian McCann

     
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    Maureen Mullen       

    Angels have named Paw Sox mgr Gary DiSarcina 3B coach.

     

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