Re: How many times does Ortiz have to do this...
posted at 1/27/2014 9:52 PM EST
I find it hilarious that nobody even disputes his selfish outbursts...most are seemingly ok with it.
Jock sniffing, ball washing, star worshipping clowns. I'm surrounded by them.
It's not only about what you do, it's how you conduct yourself as well.
I guess I'm alone in that, as another poster already said his wish list has Ryan Braun at the top...if ever there was proof that only results matter, there it is. Ryan Braun is a cheating, selfish, arrogant a s s hole. He's proven that all by his big boy self.
I think when we see how the world is deteriorating around us, we can not be so analretentive and let some chit slide man. This isn't the ARod dillema, Aaron Hernandez serial killing, Alfonso Dennard violating probation from punching a cop, Otis Nixon arrested for crack, Lawrence Taylor the same. This isn't Roger Clemens, Dennis Rodman, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Braun, Chad Ochocinco, Floyd Mayweather, Jr.. It is just nothing to get worked up over man. There are bigger things to worry about and people doing much more offensive things IMO.
If this were during the season, I would not take so kindly to it as I thought was unprofessional in the past. The fact that Lester and Papi are talking contracts in the last year of their deal says that they value security over the most money possible and I don't mind that one bit. We have paid Papi well over his career, but not to the levels that he could have been paid on the open market. The dude is a beast and is one of the best Red Sox hitters of all time.
I have the opposite feeling based on that very same point.
As the world deteriorates around us...people just accept more and more chit, and the cycle is continued, and increased.
Ted Williams, as far as I know, never whined about money. He didn't like PEOPLE. Different issue. I'm 33, so I wasn't around, but being a curmudgeon is one thing. Being "Big Papi" and taking all the positive that comes with it, then turning around and proving to be a consistently selfishly-motivated person...that kind of hypocrisy maddens me.
On the Patriots forum, a poster commented that they would NEVER shake the hand of someone who just beat them, and couldn't understand why anyone would.
I responded in 3 words, "It's called sportsmanship".
They admitted to being a bad sport.
Though I don't agree with their feelings, I RESPECT their honesty and up-front nature.
Ortiz is playing both sides. He's like some slimeball politician and I can't stand it.
I would rather lose with honest guys I like than win with disingenuous, selfish frauds.
You'd back Ortiz if he held the team hostage for 100 million(not you, someone said that)?
The name on the FRONT matters...NOT the back.
It's the BOSTON RED SOX.
Not the BOSTON ORTIZ'.
Or the ORTIZ' RED SOX.
I can't believe I'm even having this argument. Boston didn't used to be all about this. Not winning a championship is a disappointment and a failure to Pats fans. Ortiz is bigger than the Sox to Sox fans...
This is seriously fked up. The fans have gone bat s h i t fking CRAZY!
I agree... you are going crazy over a minor point about Ortiz that you view as a larger issue with our current culture and where it is heading. Why aren't you getting all bent out of shape about Lester saying the same thing? It's ok if you don't like the man or his method of communication. You think that he is a dishonest politician... most people familiar with the public eye are that way. They are actors, entertainers and sportsmen.
Ted Williams wasn't the nicest guy, nor Cobb, Roger, Bonds and many other egomaniacal people in the entertainment or sports industry. George Foreman used to be the villian and was brash like Jim Rice... both learned to mend the public image. I don't turn off the TV when I see them on because sometimes perception is reality. Have they turned into nicer guys, or are they just wiser? Does that mean they are dishonest? I think that Ortiz is being very honest and so was Lester and both gave the same message. Ortiz chose different words and has a different personality, so I respect that.
The best way to spread the positive energy you wish to portray is to keep the message positive. There are people that don't have the same values as you in every area of life. My girlfriend's family is from Vietnam and I am from Boston... the culture is different.
It is also difficult to speak in a non-native language and get the same meaning across. I saw the same message that Ortiz got across as Lester... I'm sure if the message was given in Spanish that Lester would probably have some native speakers take his tone or afliction the wrong way talking about the same thing in reverse.