Re: I soooo want the Angels to make the playoffs so You can ALL see how good Zack Greinke is...Anxiety my a%$....
posted at 9/27/2012 5:34 PM EDT
In response to makonikyman's comment:
In response to ThefourBs' comment:
In response to pinstripezac's comment:
In response to Flapjack07's comment:
I'm glad you can so easily discount Greinke's past psychological issues, despite the fact that star players without his history of anxiety problems have wilted under the pressure of Boston.
But the fact is that if you take away one Cy Young caliber season, his career ERA is over 4. It's north of 3.80 over the past three seasons. So expecting him to walk in and be the ace everyone is clammoring for is probably a lot of wishful thinking...we already have a top of the rotation starter in Jon Lester who, despite a down year, is capable of being just as good or better.
Good pitcher, yes. But let someone else give him a giant contract. I want no part of him at the years and dollars he'll probably be requiring, just as I wanted no part of Lackey and Crawford.
despite the fact that star players without his history of anxiety problems have wilted under the pressure of Boston.
flapjack I suppose the other side of that is
those other guys most likely were never
treated / advised how to / medicated to handle such things
just guessing here but I'm thinking his problem was
more about pitching in mlb or not
rather than big or bigger crowds/pressure
makonikyman makes 2 good points
I favor over paying the FA vs a trade were I must give up big talent
and it would be great to see him in a PO game
not that how he doe's means everything
wow spell check works now too
And therein lies the problem. I don't want the Sox shelling out big bucks to Greinke because they "guess" he'll be fine in boston.
Renteria comes to mind.
so Renteria didn,t work out. How about Pedro? When we got him from Mont there were TONS of questions about him. They didn,t think he could hold up because of his size. They weren,t sure there was enough of a dominican base here etc....we extended him after we made the trade for 5 yrs and at the time was one of the biggest contracts in baseball. Would you take that one back? How about Manny for 8 yrs? how d that work out? or Schilling....his teamates hated him and we gave him a nice extension to coome here. How d that work out? Agon? same issues...small market player, not sure if he can handle Bost etc...most people on here wouldnt mind seeing him over on 1st base right now. If you want to compete, and hopefully win...you need STUDS. and Greinke IS A STUD.Yes there are risks, just like everything in life. either that or we go sign a bunch of journyman and stay a sub 500 team for the next few yrs....
Give up the dream, Makonikyman. It's not happening...
1. There is no way the Red Sox, who have publicly said that they will avoid the long term high priced deals for players who haven't played here, are offering the 100 plus million it will take to sign Greinke.
2. It's no secret that the Angels and Dodgers are both prepared to give him at least that much this winter. The Sox would have to blow both of those teams out of the water (no shot) to make the player's union pressure him into taking the highest offer.
3. Ben Cherington has said he puts a lot more stock into a player's "make-up" than Theo did. Do you honestly believe his first big free agent signing is going to be for a pitcher at 100 plus million who takes anxiety meds and is admittedly uncomfortable around people?!?!?!
4. If you really read the interview with Greinke below, you will understand that this guy would NOT want to play in a place like Boston, NY or Philly. As a matter of fact, after reading the interview, my guess is that he would rather retire first before signing with a Boston or New York.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/116683129.html - Greinke interview from 2011
I don't think he would fold like a tent in Boston at all, like Ed Whitson did in New York, but I don't think either the Sox or Greinke would have any interest whatsoever in each other, considering all of the circumstances.