If Cherington Doesn't Offer Varitek a FA MLB Contract, Will Any other team Offer Varitek a MLB Contract and 2012 Opening Day MLB Roster Spot?

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    Very long title lacking substance. Who cares besides you?
     
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    Re: If Cherington Doesn't Offer Varitek a FA MLB Contract, Will Any other team Offer Varitek a MLB Contract and 2012 Opening ...

    Yeah, nobody wants a back-up catcher that...

    1) caught more innings than all but 2 MLB back-ups in 2011.
    2) had a higher OPS in 2011 than 22 teams had.
    3) had a higher OPS than 14 MLB team starting catchers.
    4) has a 10 year record of getting the very best out of the staff he catches.

    He will be offered several contracts, and you will call those GMs idiots and say it doesn't count, and then deny you ever said he'd get an offer.
     
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    If  Cherington Doesn't Offer Varitek a FA MLB Contract, Will Any other team Offer Varitek a MLB Contract and 2012 Opening Day MLB Roster Spot?
     
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    [QUOTE]Yeah, nobody wants a back-up catcher that... 1) caught more innings than all but 2 MLB back-ups in 2011. 2) had a higher OPS in 2011 than 22 teams had. 3) had a higher OPS than 14 MLB team starting catchers. 4) has a 10 year record of getting the very best out of the staff he catches. He will be offered several contracts, and you will call those GMs idiots and say it doesn't count, and then deny you ever said he'd get an offer.
    PWhat are his numbers after September 1. How could you sign a player that you know in advance cannot play a full season anymore? His April numbers and September numbers are abhorrent.
     
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    PWhat are his numbers after September 1. How could you sign a player that you know in advance cannot play a full season anymore? His April numbers and September numbers are abhorrent.

    His numbers from August 1st to Sept 10th were very good. He then went 1 for 16. I guess if you want to judge players on 16 ABs, it's your right.

    Should we dump Salty (.542) and Youk (.525) for their Septembers? How about Salty's .547 April? How about the fact that we lost 9 of Salty's first 10 games as a catcher in April when he went 4 for 29? The Sox went 6-4 in VTek's first 10 games caught in April, despite him going 3 for 33.

    By the way, VTek had the 3rd best August OPS on the Sox (.852).

    Please take a look at MLB catcher numbers and stop expecting a .325 BA from your back-up catcher.
     
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    [QUOTE]Very long title lacking substance. Who cares besides you?
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    When Tek rode Boras to free agency a couple years back he had very few viable offers "if any" for more than the 10mil he could have had through arb with us, as a result he came back to Boston for half the amount.  For the league minimum I believe he may get a few offers,  How much of an impact will he have on a new staff or team?  It's hard to tell but it's time to allow the youngsters their chance in Boston.
     
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    Re: If Cherington Doesn't Offer Varitek a FA MLB Contract, Will Any other team Offer Varitek a MLB Contract and 2012 Opening ...

    Look at Varitek's winning % in 33% of 2011 games.

    More lies.

    VTek caught about 40% of all Sox catcher innings in 2011, more than all but 2 MLb back-up catchers.

    If you go by games, he caught in 68 games (64 starts). Thats 40 to 42% NOT 33%. Softy loves to lie and deceive on his poll questions in order to spread propaganda and skew the results.

    Why does softy feel the need to lie and use deception in order to get the results he wants?
     
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    So, 1/3 of 2011 games is about 50 games. Varitek was in 68 games in 2011 and 39 games in 2010. 40 to 42% is simply an approximate range which isn't exactly much more than my estimate of 1/3 of a season, moonslob. In the last two season, Varitek has averaged just 33% of a season and still has been incapable of finishing either of the last 2 seasons off the shelf.

    Moonslob, Varitek is washed up, and so is Wastefield. Get over it, they are over 40 years old. They cost almost 6 million in 2011, and if Cherington isn't embarrassed by that then he is truly clueless.
     
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    [QUOTE]PWhat are his numbers after September 1. How could you sign a player that you know in advance cannot play a full season anymore? His April numbers and September numbers are abhorrent. His numbers from August 1st to Sept 10th were very good. He then went 1 for 16. I guess if you want to judge players on 16 ABs, it's your right. Should we dump Salty (.542) and Youk (.525) for their Septembers? How about Salty's .547 April? How about the fact that we lost 9 of Salty's first 10 games as a catcher in April when he went 4 for 29? The Sox went 6-4 in VTek's first 10 games caught in April, despite him going 3 for 33. By the way, VTek had the 3rd best August OPS on the Sox (.852). Please take a look at MLB catcher numbers and stop expecting a .325 BA from your back-up catcher.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    This is a team that has played crucial games in September for the last 4 years now. Its one thing to have a player that doesn't excel in the playoffs -- quite another to have one who can't play the crucial games down the stretch in September. Add in that he had a very poor April and you have a part time player that can only produce during 80% of the season, .........while you have a great prospect who needs time in the big leagues and a roster spot. Further, Varitek's catching success is jaded as he's become the personal for Beckett who's arguably one the top 15 pitchers in the AL, so of course his stats would look better. As I recall, he didn't have any takers two years ago, when he was a free agent and took a very modest contract from the Sox, what makes you think they'll be takers for him this year, now that he's two years older?

     
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    LOL!
     
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    LOl!
     
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    [QUOTE]If  Cherington Doesn't Offer Varitek a FA MLB Contract, Will Any other team Offer Varitek a MLB Contract and 2012 Opening Day MLB Roster Spot? Yes! Look at Varitek's winning % in 33% of 2011 games
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    Is someone finally embracing that catchers can have a defensive impact?

    Will you ask me to check his CERA next?
     
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    [QUOTE]So, 1/3 of 2011 games is about 50 games. Varitek was in 68 games in 2011 and 39 games in 2010. 40 to 42% is simply an approximate range which isn't exactly much more than my estimate of 1/3 of a season, moonslob.

    It's deliberate , and moving the goalpost to two years is just more of your tired tactics.

    In the last two season, Varitek has averaged just 33% of a season and still has been incapable of finishing either of the last 2 seasons off the shelf.

    He missed one game this season due to injury. You are technically correct, but you intentionally mislead people even now. VTek was one of the most durable back-ups this year, and you are making him out to be a
    fragile old man. He caught more innings than 27 other MLb back-up catchers, and you make a big deal over one game.

    Moonslob, Varitek is washed up, and so is Wastefield. Get over it, they are over 40 years old. They cost almost 6 million in 2011, and if Cherington isn't embarrassed by that then he is truly clueless.

    It is you who should be embarrassed by how you have bashed both of these guys as players and human beings for over 3 years.

    It is you who can't "get over it". You mention Wake or Vtek in nearly every post, and you have started countless Wake and Tek bashing threads for years and years. Most of my comments about the two of them are responses to your propaganda and misleading comments and outright lies. You started bashing Wake after the 2007 season. You blasted his WHIP and BB/9, but had no clue that those are actually his strengths. You then went after his weight and age, but ignored the fact that his best 50 starts of his career were from age 41-42. You based him for his CS% this year, but he has one of the best CS rates of any Sox starter this year. The list goes on and on, and it's the same with Vtek.  It is you who needs to "get over it". Our 7th starter and back-up catcher, should not be anyone's biggest concerns.
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    No.
     
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    In the last two season, Varitek has averaged just 33% of a season and still has been incapable of finishing either of the last 2 seasons off the shelf.

    But, you said 2011 not 2010-2011.

    Why not just say 50% in 2011. 50% is closer to 42% than it is to 33%. Funny how you never make a mistake on the "other side" of the truth. It proves it is intentional distortions. 

     
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    Varitek's time has come and gone.    His skills have clearly eroded.    The Sox need to get younger at the position.
     
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    Why you want to try to keep 39 years old catcher, and get rid of a 26 years old catcher?  Did you know that Tek's first year as a catcher with Boston, he was a 26 years old.  That is the same age as Salty this year.  Therefore, Salty should get the starting catcher spot and Larvanway can be the back up catcher to learn to become a possible starting catcher in the future.

    Get rid of Tek, and Wakefield.  They are taking away young kids's future spot on the roster. 
     
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    [QUOTE]PWhat are his numbers after September 1. How could you sign a player that you know in advance cannot play a full season anymore? His April numbers and September numbers are abhorrent. His numbers from August 1st to Sept 10th were very good. He then went 1 for 16. I guess if you want to judge players on 16 ABs, it's your right. Should we dump Salty (.542) and Youk (.525) for their Septembers? How about Salty's .547 April? How about the fact that we lost 9 of Salty's first 10 games as a catcher in April when he went 4 for 29? The Sox went 6-4 in VTek's first 10 games caught in April, despite him going 3 for 33. By the way, VTek had the 3rd best August OPS on the Sox (.852). Please take a look at MLB catcher numbers and stop expecting a .325 BA from your back-up catcher.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Moon - Just like your argument that Wakefield was the best starter for the Red Sox in September based on 20IP as a starter?
     
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    Softy = walking proof that figures don't lie but liars can figure.
     
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    [QUOTE]Very long title lacking substance. Who cares besides you?
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]SALTY, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING ....  "DOES IT MATTER" !!  GOOD TRICK QUESTION, SON !!!
     
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    Varitek figures don't lie. He is terrible at 40 years old.
     
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    I appreciate all that Tek has done for the Sox but just think it is time for the Sox to move on and let somebody else handle the catching duties.  Yanks made a tough decision with Posada when they told him to put away his catcher's equipment but it paid off because it forced them to find another adequate younger catcher to take his place.  So too it is time for Tek to put away his glove and ride off into the sunset. 
     
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    After alimony, Varitek should have enough money to keep chasing women on a full-time basis.
     
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    Re: If Cherington Doesn't Offer Varitek a FA MLB Contract, Will Any other team Offer Varitek a MLB Contract and 2012 Opening ...

    ...and you must have enough money to keep chasing VTek chasing women and Wake chasing potato salad.
     
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    Re: If Cherington Doesn't Offer Varitek a FA MLB Contract, Will Any other team Offer Varitek a MLB Contract and 2012 Opening ...

    Tek has been great for the Sox since he arrived in the late 90's..But it is time to move on..I think a team would offer him 1mm to be a backup to a young squad...
     

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