Re: If you were starving and needed a dollar to buy a loaf of bread...
posted at 10/17/2013 12:42 AM EDT
In response to moonslav59's comment:
I respect your intelligence and your baseball knowledge and I will gladly drop talking politics, but I have no idea where you get the above facts.
A) I know of no Bill that was passed by the Senate that the House refused to Vote on...other than a Clean CR.....therhave been numerous bills and I mean numerous Bills that teh Senate has refused to vote on
B) The One budget Obama has produced was voted down 99-0 in the Democratic Senate....the House was never given a chance to vte on a Passed Obama Budget.....The House has passed their Own budget every year....the Senate in the Last 7 years....has passed none....If the Senate had passed their own then it would have gone to joint commitee for negotiation. Until the Democrats in the Sente pass a budget the House has no Power to do anything. The Senate is perfecty fine not passing a Budget because Continuing resolutions have automatic spending increases built into them...why pass a budget which woudl require you to negtiate spending when you get automatic increasses by not passing one....and when someone decides they do not want to continue to increase Government spending by passing a CR.....they are the bad guys?
c) I agree it was a bad move and stupid Politics to link changes to Obama Care to the CR bill, but every Obama Care point in those bills had been passed individually by the House(again they represent Americans also)....and sent to the Senate over the past 2 years and Harry Reid refused to have the voted on....that is why they resorted to attaching them to the CR Bill....you can call that Extortion but attaching non related items to spending Bills has been done by both parties for decades.
Now back to our regularly scheduled program
The regularly scheduled program stinks right now, so...
1) The Democrats agreed to a budget that was about $220 billion below Obama's request. It was about $100 billion below the previous passed Senate budget.
2) The House GOP budget CR was more than $100 billion below even Paul Ryan's budget proposal and $2 billion below GW's last budget proposal, meaning that if it had passed, we'd have been funding the government at belwo 2008 levels. This is called "compromise"? This being rejected by Obama and the Dems is "failure to negotiate"?
3) Here are the numbers in billions:
1,203 Original Obama's Budget
1,185 2010 enacted spending
1,095 Original Ryan budget
1,066 2011 debt limit compromise
1,058 2014 Senate Budget (labelled a failure to compromise")
986 Senate continuing resolution
967 2014 Ryan budget
Look at the numbers and tell me which number the red line is closest to: Obama's, The Democratic Senate, or the Ryan Budget? How was that not a compromise? It looks to anyone like the Republicans got the better of the deal and then held us hostage for more, all the while claiming Obama and the Dems would not sit down and compromise as the held a gun to the whole world's economy.
4) The Dems basically agreed to the Republican budget and requested that the GOP sit down and help target cuts and implementation. The Republicans refuse 19 times, until the economy was taken hostage, and then they demanded a negotiation on the spot- or else!
5) The votes may have even been there to pass the "clean CR" long ago, but the Tea Party kept the vote from even happening. It's not the first time that kind of thing has happened, but with so much on the line, it is not good politics to blame Obama for not compromising.
Look, I'm not happy with Obama or the Dems. I never voted for Obama. The budget deficit is a major issue, but it is not the only one. Obamacare is here, like it or not. Healthcare cost were skyrocketing for years and years before Obamacare. There's a lot wrong with the plan, and I'm sure every single problem will be exposed under a magnifying glass, while past issues were not.
So, we punted the issue to a future date. What a complete failure of our total leadership.
The budget sequestration was at first blamed on Obama, but then shouldn't he then be given the credit for lowering the budget deficit rate by a record percentage, even if by mistake? The sequestration levels were set so low that nearly everyone felt the levels alone would shock the Congress into a compromise. Well, now those levels are the law of the land, and Ted Cruz felt now was the time to demand more- or else. Really?
Not giving into extortion is not the same as not compromising, and in light of what had already been compromised up to that point, this whole Cruz ploy has been as absurd as softy's claim that Papi is a "punch and Judy hitter with a bat speed no greater than Iglesias".
There, I talked about baseball.
Now, back to the local news.
two quick points....One....not sure where you got your Budget #'s....but you are off almost 3 trillion dollars on what the US Budget is!....maybe you are just qouting discretionary spending....2....the Tea party is a Great Bogeyman for the Dems to use....and I am not a Member by the way, but Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, the 2 tea party voices people keep complaining about are Senators....not House Members...so clearly they are not responsible for how the House Votes....and none of Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy, the 3 republican House leaders are Tea party favorites...so how exactly did the Tea party keep the CR vote from happening?? and by the way there realy isnt even a National tea party....just a bunch of local tea parties and a National Federation which tries to link a small portion of them...so they have no National Power....this comes down to people who want smaller government and peope who want more government...the Dems just invoke the Tea party to radicalize the idea that wanting smaller government and a less wasteful one is a bad thing....you are way to intelligent to fall for that.