Re: Guys are we better without Agone and Crawford
posted at 9/25/2011 9:47 AM EDT
In Response to Guys are we better without Agone and Crawford
[QUOTE]Were we better keeping Beltre at third Youk at first not picking up the option on Ortiz and letting Victor Mart DH and overpaying for Cliff Lee and maybe putting a stop gap 1 year fix out there like Johnny Damon who is a winner and has better numbers then crawford then the boy wonder could have had some money to make moves at the deadline. VMART 4years 46m c/dh/1b Beltre 5 years 96 m 3b Cliff Lee 5 years 100 m /p Damon 1 year 4 million LF/ maybe 4th of platton. Now that package comes out to an estimated 250 million a with more money down the line to spend , Then agone 154m and crawford 142m and jenks 12m which is 210 million on those contracts. i would pay the extra money on players that played here before and done well then players who have not played here before. I know aboggs is hitting 340 but how many homeruns does he have since all star break and what is his average against tampa and newyork. Have a good day everyone.
Posted by stinkman[/QUOTE]
It would be easy to call this "hindsight being 20/20", except many people had these same thoughts before Victor left, and before Gonzalez or Crawford came here.
Personally, Beltre wasn't for me, I question his production over the next few years, but I could be wrong. But I would have DEFINITELY paid Victor and let Ortiz walk. Victor offers 3 position help, Ortiz can sit on the bench and wait for his turn to hit.
Then THIS offseason, if they wanted to move Youk to third, there's a little 1B out there who will be on a different team...no, not Pujols...Prince Fielder. About the same money as Gonzalez, but we still have the three prospects on top of it.
But, no, a mere mention of "bridge year" and Pink Hat Nation throws a sh!t fit.
Fans want to complain about these signings (crawford/lackey) but it the pressure from YOU SAME FANS, and the mentality that the Sox should ALWAYS spend, and NEVER get outmanuevered by the Yankees that lead to these very signings.
Lackey, to me, was an obvious attempt to pacify the fanbase. They put up big money for someone they thought would give them 200 plus innings, and mid-4 ERAs on the heels of fans flipping out about Cameron and "bridge year". How wrong they were. Gonzalez and Crawford were both THeo man0crushes, and we've all seen how those work out.
You know what, I'm tired of this management team, their excuses for bad signings, justifications for bad moves, and the over commercialization of EVERYTHING that is Red Sox or Fenway. There is no accountability anywhere. None when Theo makes a bad signing. None when Francona sh!ts the bed, and certainly not a god d a m n e d thing when players act totally unprofessionally (Lackey/Ortiz have offered plenty of opportunities for Francona to set the standard, and he has not).
I enjoyed the Sox more in the 90s when they were losing, the Yankees were winning, there was always a sense of impending doom, but that was right up next to the never-ending feelings of hope. I used to take pride in the fact that the Sox, though big spenders in their own right, were NEVER in the same universe as the Yankees. I didn't want to give Texeira all that money, and was happy with how Henry blasted he and Boras after the meeting.
Now? They sign everyone. Overpay. Are emptying out the farm system. Pay players to go play for other teams. Justify terrible signings like Drew (a tick OVER what they pay him? when?). And are left with big, obvious holes when their overpaid 'talent' underproduces. These are all the things that, even as they were winning, I laughed at the Yankees for. Now Boston is just as guilty, and it sickens me. Ortiz now reminds me A LOT of Sheffield circa 2004. He's not the jovial personality he once was. He often bristles at the media. He gets infuriated when anyone questions his production. If he starts talking about how Manny was a racially motivated move, that will seal it for me (tongue in cheek on that last part).