Interesting Poll on who the Untouchables were at Deadline

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    Myself I would have put 4 guys on the untouchable and one with a caveat.

    Untouchable in almost any deal woould be Middlebrooks and Lavarnway. Why? their positions combined with their potential. If there are two things that there is always hard to find is great hitting catchers and third basemen.

    A team with a great hitting catcher has a leg up and the fact that Middlebrooks projects to be ready to play in MLB in just as Kevin Youkilis current deal would expire is appealing.

    Ranuado because he projects to be their best pitching prospect and we just learned yet once again if you think you have too much pitching wait a minute and that will change.

    And unless the RS could have recieved a replacement in RF for short term considerations only I would think they would not trade him.
     
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    Is there a young RH OF'er farm hand who is great slugging against LHP and good against RHP, who projects to be ready just as Ellsbury's team control expires?
     
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    There weren't really any great players available at the trading deadline this season.  The closest thing to great was Hunter Pence but he's a free agent at seasons end so then you'd start talking about how much is he really worth in prospects.  Other than that, Ubaldo Jiminez was not worth the risk because he's overrated IMO.  Beltran was not worth the risk due to his injuries and the fact that he's aging and isn't a high impact guy anymore.  Still a good hitter though.  Other than that, there just wasn't much out there that was worth emptying the farm on.

    If there was more of a need with better options available to trade for, then I think nobody would be untouchable.

    3 guys that I think are critical for the Red Sox to hold onto are Middlebrooks, Ranaudo, and Lavarnway in that order. 

    There's going to reach a point where Youkilis can no longer be an every day 3B.  The position is hard enough to fill as it is.  Middlebrooks may very well find himself to be the next 3B of this team. 

    Ranaudo seems to be the Sox only premier pitcher with ace material.  Lester, Beckett, Buchholz and Lackey are locked up for at least the next 3 seasons, but that 5th spot may be calling Ranaudo's name.

    Lavarnway is an interesting one.  He's making strides and improving at the catching position and his bat has hit at every level of the minors.  The issue here is that the Red Sox may have found their future catcher in Salty.  Maybe Lavarnway is the next DH?  He may be the toughest fit as far as future plans go.
     
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    Lavarnway can also move up into the backup catcher spot assuming Varitek retires.
     
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    Varitek will have to be kicked out of MLB, and that's coming very soon.
     
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    [QUOTE]Varitek will have to be kicked out of MLB, and that's coming very soon.
    Posted by softylaw[/QUOTE]

    Even though he's 1 of the 3 best backup catchers in the game and is productive and content in that role.
     
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    [QUOTE]There weren't really any great players available at the trading deadline this season.  The closest thing to great was Hunter Pence but he's a free agent at seasons end so then you'd start talking about how much is he really worth in prospects.  Other than that, Ubaldo Jiminez was not worth the risk because he's overrated IMO.  Beltran was not worth the risk due to his injuries and the fact that he's aging and isn't a high impact guy anymore.  Still a good hitter though.  Other than that, there just wasn't much out there that was worth emptying the farm on. If there was more of a need with better options available to trade for, then I think nobody would be untouchable. 3 guys that I think are critical for the Red Sox to hold onto are Middlebrooks, Ranaudo, and Lavarnway in that order.  There's going to reach a point where Youkilis can no longer be an every day 3B.  The position is hard enough to fill as it is.  Middlebrooks may very well find himself to be the next 3B of this team.  Ranaudo seems to be the Sox only premier pitcher with ace material.  Lester, Beckett, Buchholz and Lackey are locked up for at least the next 3 seasons, but that 5th spot may be calling Ranaudo's name. Lavarnway is an interesting one.  He's making strides and improving at the catching position and his bat has hit at every level of the minors.  The issue here is that the Red Sox may have found their future catcher in Salty.  Maybe Lavarnway is the next DH?  He may be the toughest fit as far as future plans go.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]

    Actually, Pence will not be a free agent after this season.  He's arbitration eligible for the 2012 and 2013 seasons and then he's eligible to be a free agent in the offseason between 2013 and 2014.  That is a big part of the reason the Phillies got a lot of credit for the deal....Pence is not a rental.
     
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    [QUOTE]There weren't really any great players available at the trading deadline this season.  The closest thing to great was Hunter Pence but he's a free agent at seasons end so then you'd start talking about how much is he really worth in prospects.  Other than that, Ubaldo Jiminez was not worth the risk because he's overrated IMO.  Beltran was not worth the risk due to his injuries and the fact that he's aging and isn't a high impact guy anymore.  Still a good hitter though.  Other than that, there just wasn't much out there that was worth emptying the farm on. If there was more of a need with better options available to trade for, then I think nobody would be untouchable. 3 guys that I think are critical for the Red Sox to hold onto are Middlebrooks, Ranaudo, and Lavarnway in that order.  There's going to reach a point where Youkilis can no longer be an every day 3B.  The position is hard enough to fill as it is.  Middlebrooks may very well find himself to be the next 3B of this team.  Ranaudo seems to be the Sox only premier pitcher with ace material.  Lester, Beckett, Buchholz and Lackey are locked up for at least the next 3 seasons, but that 5th spot may be calling Ranaudo's name. Lavarnway is an interesting one.  He's making strides and improving at the catching position and his bat has hit at every level of the minors.  The issue here is that the Red Sox may have found their future catcher in Salty.  Maybe Lavarnway is the next DH?  He may be the toughest fit as far as future plans go.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]

    I have nothing to add except I totally agree with you. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Lavarnway can also move up into the backup catcher spot assuming Varitek retires.
    Posted by PawsoxPhil[/QUOTE]With the amount of upside that Ryan current forecasts as having I really doubt that the wise move is to have him be a back-up catcher at the MLB level rather than spending a season catching in AAA as the starter.

    IMO it can not be minimized just how much of an asset plus-plus offense is from a catcher. It makes a line-up much deeper, it give the FO the flexibility to carry a dfensive player with a weaker bat elsewhere in the line-up.

    That is worth taking your time with and not rushing the process. On a lesser team the tact would be to have him learn OJT in MLB. With Salty's improvement the RS have the luxury of doing this in AAA, a safer, surer route most times.

    The FT DH route is the last place they would want to go with a young player who has any potential to catch IMO.   
     
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