Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer?

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    Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer?

    by John Beattie/NESN
    There's a good chance that Jason Varitek's name will be mentioned in the same breath as many of the all-time Red Sox greats.

    The captain will one day enter the Red Sox Hall of Fame when his career is all said and done, but will Tek be invited to Cooperstown?

    No. 33 has been a fixture in the Sox dugout and behind the dish every year since 1998 -- technically his second year with the club, after being acquired from the Mariners at the trade deadline in 1997 when he played one game with the Sox.

    In Boston, Tek is a God. Throughout baseball, he's one of the most respected elder-statesman in the league and despite never hitting over .300 in any single season, he's strung together Hall of Fame catcher-like numbers during his prime.

    Like all other Hall of Fame debates, it's tough to compare Tek to the 13 current Cooperstown backstops. Sure, guys like Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra and Carlton Fisk have better numbers than Varitek, but as we all know -- and have a tough time coping with, when it comes down to the old "should he or shouldn't he" debate -- it's a different game than it was when those legends manned the dish. That being said, Tek also has the edge in a few major offensive stats (batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, home runs, RBIs, runs scored) against a handful of current Hall of Fame catchers.

    As seen on Tuesday night, Tek's defensive prowess will only boost his chances of getting the nod to baseball immortality -- as will his two World Series rings. An MLB-record four no-hitters caught is impressive to many and will help his cause, but his importance to the Sox pitching staff can barely be summed up by numbers. That angle may be hard to fathom by some voters.

    Does Jason Varitek, who owns a career .258 BA, 187 home runs, 739 RBIs, 651 runs scored and a .778 OPS, belong in the Hall of Fame? 

     
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    [QUOTE]by John Beattie/NESN There's a good chance that Jason Varitek 's name will be mentioned in the same breath as many of the all-time Red Sox greats. The captain will one day enter the Red Sox Hall of Fame when his career is all said and done, but will Tek be invited to Cooperstown? No. 33 has been a fixture in the Sox dugout and behind the dish every year since 1998 -- technically his second year with the club, after being acquired from the Mariners at the trade deadline in 1997 when he played one game with the Sox. In Boston, Tek is a God. Throughout baseball, he's one of the most respected elder-statesman in the league and despite never hitting over .300 in any single season, he's strung together Hall of Fame catcher-like numbers during his prime. Like all other Hall of Fame debates, it's tough to compare Tek to the 13 current Cooperstown backstops. Sure, guys like Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra and Carlton Fisk have better numbers than Varitek, but as we all know -- and have a tough time coping with, when it comes down to the old "should he or shouldn't he" debate -- it's a different game than it was when those legends manned the dish. That being said, Tek also has the edge in a few major offensive stats (batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, home runs, RBIs, runs scored) against a handful of current Hall of Fame catchers. As seen on Tuesday night, Tek's defensive prowess will only boost his chances of getting the nod to baseball immortality -- as will his two World Series rings. An MLB-record four no-hitters caught is impressive to many and will help his cause, but his importance to the Sox pitching staff can barely be summed up by numbers. That angle may be hard to fathom by some voters. Does Jason Varitek, who owns a career .258 BA, 187 home runs, 739 RBIs, 651 runs scored and a .778 OPS, belong in the Hall of Fame? 

    Posted by -EdithBunker-[/QUOTE]

    He gets in the same way I do....with a ticket.

     
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    Good leader, good defensive catcher, so-so offensive player.

    If he goes to the Hall of Fame, I want Andy Etchebarran and Mike Scioscia in there as well.

    Then we can rename it the Hall-of -Pretty Darn Good Players.
     
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    It's just an opinion piece.  I like Tek a lot and think he is still a pretty effective catcher, but I don't see him in the HOF.  I do see him getting some votes, however. 

     
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    Yeah no way.  Ever hear of Lance Parrish?  324 home runs, won three gold gloves and made 8 all star teams.  He isn't in.  You would also have to put guys like Ted simmons over Tek.  Simmons was lifetime 285 with 248 home runs.  

    I like Tek but he doesn't come close to a HOF level.
     
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    Re: Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer?

    Red Sox HOF, yes.

    Cooperstown, no.
     
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    if they let rizzuto and gossage in, then the bars been lowered enough for V-TEK.
     
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    [QUOTE]by John Beattie/NESN There's a good chance that Jason Varitek 's name will be mentioned in the same breath as many of the all-time Red Sox greats. The captain will one day enter the Red Sox Hall of Fame when his career is all said and done, but will Tek be invited to Cooperstown? No. 33 has been a fixture in the Sox dugout and behind the dish every year since 1998 -- technically his second year with the club, after being acquired from the Mariners at the trade deadline in 1997 when he played one game with the Sox. In Boston, Tek is a God. Throughout baseball, he's one of the most respected elder-statesman in the league and despite never hitting over .300 in any single season, he's strung together Hall of Fame catcher-like numbers during his prime. Like all other Hall of Fame debates, it's tough to compare Tek to the 13 current Cooperstown backstops. Sure, guys like Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra and Carlton Fisk have better numbers than Varitek, but as we all know -- and have a tough time coping with, when it comes down to the old "should he or shouldn't he" debate -- it's a different game than it was when those legends manned the dish. That being said, Tek also has the edge in a few major offensive stats (batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, home runs, RBIs, runs scored) against a handful of current Hall of Fame catchers. As seen on Tuesday night, Tek's defensive prowess will only boost his chances of getting the nod to baseball immortality -- as will his two World Series rings. An MLB-record four no-hitters caught is impressive to many and will help his cause, but his importance to the Sox pitching staff can barely be summed up by numbers. That angle may be hard to fathom by some voters. Does Jason Varitek, who owns a career .258 BA, 187 home runs, 739 RBIs, 651 runs scored and a .778 OPS, belong in the Hall of Fame? 
    Posted by -EdithBunker-[/QUOTE]

    Jason doesn't have HOF numbers.  He has been a very important player for the Red Sox but may not be "as important" playing anywhere else at this point.  I could take some heat on this but a 250 career BA and "one" all star appearance probably won't get many votes to the Hall.  He has caught "no hitters" played good defense and everyone knows he can call a good game but I just don't see it happening.


     
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    Re: Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer?

    After last nights play, he's in, first ballot...
     
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    [QUOTE]Good leader, good defensive catcher, so-so offensive player. If he goes to the Hall of Fame, I want Andy Etchebarran and Mike Scioscia in there as well. Then we can rename it the Hall-of -Pretty Darn Good Players.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    Z,

    If you don't think Tek belongs in the HOF, that's fine. At this point, I'm inclined to say no to the HOF too. Lance Parrish and Ted Simmons IMO belong in first.

    But there's no need to disrespect Varitek by putting him in the same category as Etchebarren and Scioscia. Tek blows both of them away offensively and was at least as good as both defensively.

    Just look at the numbers.

    Sciosia 13 seasons, 1,441 games, 4,373 at-bats 198 doubles, 68 HR, 446 RBIs, .259 BA, .700 OPS

    Etchebarren 15 seasons, 948 games, 2,618 games, 101 doubles, 49 HR, 309 RBIs, .235 BA, .649 OPS

    Tek Tek 15 seasons, 1,518 games, 5,001 at-bats, 303 doubles, 187 HR, 739 RBIs, .258 BA, .778 OPS.

    The captain deserves some respect, don't you think?
     
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    Re: Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer?

    Along with Andy Etchebarren and Mike Scoscia, I would add Jerry Grote.

    So yes to RS HOF and no to Cooperstown.
     
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    Re: Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer?

    What, no love for Russ Nixon?




     
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    Pudge Rodriguez is the only upcoming HOF candidate as a catcher I can think of.  Tek had a very nice career and was (is) a solid contributor on successful Sox teams, but he is not among the all time elite at his position.
     
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    [QUOTE]Along with Andy Etchebarren and Mike Scoscia, I would add Jerry Grote. So yes to RS HOF and no to Cooperstown.
    Posted by SanCap[/QUOTE]


    You're adding another name who doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Varitek. I can probably name a few dozen or so.

    You're comparing a player (Tek) who is at least close to being borderline to players who can't even sniff the area code of the borderline.

    To put it in persective, if there were a map, Tek would be at least be somewhere on Route 28 north of I-88.

    Sciosia would be California, and Grote and Etechbarren would be on some island in the Pacific.
     
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    I agree that Pudge is the only one out there and Posada walking the fence. Varitek doesn't have the glory numbers that the writers look for when voting.

    Yazzer - Gossage - really?
     
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    [QUOTE]Pudge Rodriguez is the only upcoming HOF candidate as a catcher I can think of.  Tek had a very nice career and was (is) a solid contributor on successful Sox teams, but he is not among the all time elite at his position.

    Posted by phxvlsoxfan[/QUOTE]

    But the PEDs allegations may hurt his chances.

     
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    Re: Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer?

    Just got off the phone with Softy and he says, yes!
     
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    [QUOTE]What, no love for Russ Nixon?
    Posted by summerof67[/QUOTE]

    Love it; especially his yr at Green Bay Wisc. I remember those cards well.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer? : Love it; especially his yr at Green Bay Wisc. I remember those cards well.
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]


    Cool
     
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    The number of catchers elected into the HOF is extremely limited. I love TEK, but he doesn't have a chance with this group:

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofmem2b.shtml

    Hall of Fame Members

    Catchers

    NameYearMethodBallotsVotes%

    Johnny Bench

    1989

    BBWAA

    44743196.42%

    Yogi Berra

    1972

    BBWAA

    39633985.61%

    Roger Bresnahan

    1945

    Veterans

       

    Roy Campanella

    1969

    BBWAA

    34027079.41%

    Gary Carter

    2003

    BBWAA

    49638778.02%

    Mickey Cochrane

    1947

    BBWAA

    16112879.50%

    Bill Dickey

    1954

    BBWAA

    25220280.16%

    Buck Ewing

    1939

    Veterans

       

    Rick Ferrell

    1984

    Veterans

       

    Carlton Fisk

    2000

    BBWAA

    49939779.56%

    Gabby Hartnett

    1955

    BBWAA

    25119577.69%

    Ernie Lombardi

    1986

    Veterans

       

    Ray Schalk

    1955

    Veterans

       
    NameYearMethodBallotsVotes%

    Hall of Fame Catchers



    TEK is probably the 2nd best Red Sox catcher of all time. (better than Gedman, Sammy White, an aging Elston Howard, Russ Nixon, Tillman, Monty, etc.)
     
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    I could have sworn that Ellie howard was in the HoF.
     
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    IF he gets 1 vote it will be a shocker. HE has not had 1 year worthy of being in the HOF.Loving the guy is one thing mentioning HOF with his name is a jioke.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer? : Z, If you don't think Tek belongs in the HOF, that's fine. At this point, I'm inclined to say no to the HOF too. Lance Parrish and Ted Simmons IMO belong in first. But there's no need to disrespect Varitek by putting him in the same category as Etchebarren and Scioscia. Tek blows both of them away offensively and was at least as good as both defensively. Just look at the numbers. Sciosia 13 seasons, 1,441 games, 4,373 at-bats 198 doubles, 68 HR, 446 RBIs, .259 BA, .700 OPS Etchebarren 15 seasons, 948 games, 2,618 games, 101 doubles, 49 HR, 309 RBIs, .235 BA, .649 OPS Tek Tek 15 seasons, 1,518 games, 5,001 at-bats, 303 doubles, 187 HR, 739 RBIs, .258 BA, .778 OPS. The captain deserves some respect, don't you think?
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    Respect? by all means.  The hall? Not a sniff.
     

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