Jim Joyce-- now has two of the worst calls in Major League History

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    Jim Joyce-- now has two of the worst calls in Major League History

    One takes a perfect game away from a pitcher--  another decides a World Series game.

    1st the contact was initiad by Craig

    2nd Middlebrooks has the right to try to get up

    3rd as stated  in an earler thread--- you have to be in the baseline to obstruct unless it was something blatant which that was by no means not even close.

     
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    When you know the name of the umpire, there's usually a reason for that. I'm sick of all of them. I wish they would just replace all the old timers who's time is up.

     
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    Re: Jim Joyce-- now has two of the worst calls in Major League History

    Why?  He made the right call.  The runner tripped over a player lying across the base path.  It's obstruction.  Unless the player is fielding a ball, the base path belongs to the runner.

    Salty wears the horns for the loss.  Make a better throw and the player is out at 3rd.

     

     
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    Why?  He made the right call.  The runner tripped over a player lying across the base path.  It's obstruction.  Unless the player is fielding a ball, the base path belongs to the runner.

    Salty wears the horns for the loss.  Make a better throw and the player is out at 3rd.

     

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    The Runner initiated the contact and tripped without any assistence from Middlebrooks.

     

     

     
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    This was a very poor call for a very simple reason.  The base runner had a clear path to home plate and chose not to take it.  As he got up from the slide at slird he turned inward and chose to run over Middlebrooks thus inducing the obstruction call.  He had a clear path to home plate and chose not to take it.  He turned inward 2 or 3 feet for no reason and got inside the base line.  Nobody picked this up.  The base runner did not have to take steps to avoid the fielder -- he had a very clear path to home and for whatever reason chose not to take it.  

     
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    Why?  He made the right call.  The runner tripped over a player lying across the base path.  It's obstruction.  Unless the player is fielding a ball, the base path belongs to the runner.

    Salty wears the horns for the loss.  Make a better throw and the player is out at 3rd.

     

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    BS. What was he supposed to do? Where was he supposd to go? Please tell me? Roll? Obstruction, get up obstruction. Stay down, obstruction. He didnt move, if roid boy Craig could see anything, its not hard to miss Middlebrooks on the ground. Instead he like a clutz trips over him. His reaction after he slid home and knew he was tagged out meant he knew he was out. Then he realized oh wait, I'm safe?? Watch the replay. 

     
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    Why?  He made the right call.  The runner tripped over a player lying across the base path.  It's obstruction.  Unless the player is fielding a ball, the base path belongs to the runner.

    Salty wears the horns for the loss.  Make a better throw and the player is out at 3rd.

     

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    Middy dove towards 2B; his entire body was out of the baseline.

    The runner took a step off 3B towards 2B, then turns to home and trips over a player who was not in the baseline. His first step with his left foot is on the IF grass. He's about 3 feet inside the 3B chalk.

    In the postgame interview, Joyce said, "The runner was on the chalk when he got up and attempted to run home."

    That is 100% wrong and not even close to be correct.

     
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    Funny thing is, he never tripped over Middy's raised feet like everyone seems to think he did.

     
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    Middlebrooks' face is literally in the dirt= Obstruction.

     

    WTffffffffF?!

     
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    Listening to the biased Joe Torre is sickening me.

     
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    Middlebrooks' face is literally in the dirt= Obstruction.

     

    WTffffffffF?!

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    What play are you watching?

    Middy dove towards 2B to try and catch the ball.

     
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    Middlebrooks' face is literally in the dirt= Obstruction.

     

    WTffffffffF?!

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    What play are you watching?

    Middy dove towards 2B to try and catch the ball.

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    Fox said they called the obstruction because of Middy's legs when he tried to get back up but couldn't. 

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Middlebrooks' face is literally in the dirt= Obstruction.

     

    WTffffffffF?!

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    What play are you watching?

    Middy dove towards 2B to try and catch the ball.

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    Fox said they called the obstruction because of Middy's legs when he tried to get back up but couldn't. 

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    Who cares what FOX says?

    Even if he tripped over his raised feet (which he didn't), it didn't matter. Middy was not in the baseline.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to emp9's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to emp9's comment:
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    Middlebrooks' face is literally in the dirt= Obstruction.

     

    WTffffffffF?!

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    What play are you watching?

    Middy dove towards 2B to try and catch the ball.

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    Fox said they called the obstruction because of Middy's legs when he tried to get back up but couldn't. 

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    Who cares what FOX says?

    Even if he tripped over his raised feet (which he didn't), it didn't matter. Middy was not in the baseline.

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    Like you said Moon, Joyce said in his press conference that Craig was "on the chalk" that is BS.  If he was on the chalk he would not have touched Middlebrooks.  In this quote, Joyce incriminates himself.

    The Red Sox did plenty of things to lose this game but that doesn't mean it isn't a historically bad call.

     
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    In response to emp9's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Middlebrooks' face is literally in the dirt= Obstruction.

     

    WTffffffffF?!

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    What play are you watching?

    Middy dove towards 2B to try and catch the ball.

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    Fox said they called the obstruction because of Middy's legs when he tried to get back up but couldn't. 

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    Who cares what FOX says?

    Even if he tripped over his raised feet (which he didn't), it didn't matter. Middy was not in the baseline.

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    I know. It's the worst call I've ever seen Moon. 

    What are you saying? They called obstruction before the runner got to 3b, as Middy was going for the ball? ....That's even worse. 

     
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    Why?  He made the right call.  The runner tripped over a player lying across the base path.  It's obstruction.  Unless the player is fielding a ball, the base path belongs to the runner.

    Salty wears the horns for the loss.  Make a better throw and the player is out at 3rd.

     

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    Middy dove towards 2B; his entire body was out of the baseline.

    The runner took a step off 3B towards 2B, then turns to home and trips over a player who was not in the baseline. His first step with his left foot is on the IF grass. He's about 3 feet inside the 3B chalk.

    In the postgame interview, Joyce said, "The runner was on the chalk when he got up and attempted to run home."

    That is 100% wrong and not even close to be correct.

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    No umpire should be able to give a statement like that, that the video does not support. There really should be a problem in MLB with that, and with the umpire who's clearly lying.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Why?  He made the right call.  The runner tripped over a player lying across the base path.  It's obstruction.  Unless the player is fielding a ball, the base path belongs to the runner.

    Salty wears the horns for the loss.  Make a better throw and the player is out at 3rd.

     

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    Middy dove towards 2B; his entire body was out of the baseline.

    The runner took a step off 3B towards 2B, then turns to home and trips over a player who was not in the baseline. His first step with his left foot is on the IF grass. He's about 3 feet inside the 3B chalk.

    In the postgame interview, Joyce said, "The runner was on the chalk when he got up and attempted to run home."

    That is 100% wrong and not even close to be correct.

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    That is 100% correct. Unfortunately, the rule is so ridiculous even the umpires are probably wondering why they agreed to be interviewd because they really couldn't believe their own reasoning. 

     
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    That is 100% correct. Unfortunately, the rule is so ridiculous even the umpires are probably wondering why they agreed to be interviewd because they really couldn't believe their own reasoning. 

    It's not obstruction if the fielder is not even in the baseline.

    Joyce said the runner "was on the chalk". He wasn't even close.

    The rule only applies to a runner within the baseline.

     
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    The rush of Torre and the talking heads to tell us this was the right call is infuriating.  It was not the right call.  Joyce said that Craig was "On the chalk".  That is utter BS. 

     

     
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    The rush of Torre and the talking heads to tell us this was the right call is infuriating.  It was not the right call.  Joyce said that Craig was "On the chalk".  That is utter BS. 

     

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    Agreed. And if you watch, Craig trips middlebrooks. Middlebrooks wouldnt have been on the ground had he not been tripped. He didn't dive for the ball. He was tripped. 

     
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    Why?  He made the right call.  The runner tripped over a player lying across the base path.  It's obstruction.  Unless the player is fielding a ball, the base path belongs to the runner.

    Salty wears the horns for the loss.  Make a better throw and the player is out at 3rd.

     

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    The Runner initiated the contact and tripped without any assistence from Middlebrooks.

     

     

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    ...apparently on his way to the pitcher's mound.

     
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    I know. It's the worst call I've ever seen Moon. 

    What are you saying? They called obstruction before the runner got to 3b, as Middy was going for the ball? ....That's even worse. 

    No, the ump said that the runner was "on the chalk" when he tried to run from 3B to home.

    The runner clearly got up after the slid into 3B anHe thend took a step towards 2B not home. He then was not within the baseline btween 3b and home.

    Middy had made a dive towards 2B and was not in the baseline between 3B and home, so he could not have possibly obstructed the runner while not in the basline.

     

    It could not be obstruction before the runner got to 3B, because the fielder was attempting to field a ball and had the right to go into the baseline ebtween 2B and 3B.

     
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    In response to AFNAV130's comment:
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    Why?  He made the right call.  The runner tripped over a player lying across the base path.  It's obstruction.  Unless the player is fielding a ball, the base path belongs to the runner.

    Salty wears the horns for the loss.  Make a better throw and the player is out at 3rd.

     

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    BS. What was he supposed to do? Where was he supposd to go? Please tell me? Roll? Obstruction, get up obstruction. Stay down, obstruction. He didnt move, if roid boy Craig could see anything, its not hard to miss Middlebrooks on the ground. Instead he like a clutz trips over him. His reaction after he slid home and knew he was tagged out meant he knew he was out. Then he realized oh wait, I'm safe?? Watch the replay. 

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    Exactly.

     
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    The rush of Torre and the talking heads to tell us this was the right call is infuriating.  It was not the right call.  Joyce said that Craig was "On the chalk".  That is utter BS. 

     

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    And, nobody questioned Torre of Joyce about the fact that the runner was not within the baseline when he tripped over Middy.

    It's like a batter hitting a grounder to the SS, running towards the pitcher, tripping over him, and getting awarded 1b on obstruction.

    OK, it wasn't that extreme, but the fcats remain equal. The runner was out of the baseline when attempting to go from 3B to home. The fact that Middy was laying on the ground out of the baseline has nothing to do with obstruction.

    They are reading a rule in a vacumn and assuming the runner was in the baseline. He was not. His first step towards home was on the IF grass.

    If the ball had rolled 4 feet in front of Middy, and Middy tried to get up to field it, they could have called the runner out for interfering with the fielder!

     

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