Middlebrooks' 1st Season: 27 HR, 92 RBI

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                  Middlebrooks          George Foster

    AB              565                           681

    R                  71                            74

    H                148                           162

    2B                31                            31

    3B                 0                               6

    HR                30                            20

    RBI                95                            84

    BB                 32                            40

    SO                151                          177

    AVG             .262                          .238

    OBP             .304                          .286

    SLG             .476                          .389

    OPS            .780                          .675

    OPS+          107                             93 

     
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    you see Hill, you can compare him to anybody, not just Reynolds

     
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    It's all going to come down to plate discipline.  He's got the talent to be a perennial all-star.  If he's impatient like he was at the beginning of the year, he's not going to make it.  If he has a 9+% bb rate like he has since his return, he'll have a special career.  

     

     
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    Good work VT

    OBP   MiLB   MLB


    WMB     332    ???

    Foster   351   338

    Howard  373   352

    Belle      361   369

    Stargell   319   360

     
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    Contrast Middy with these RH Red Sox rookies, what he's done is pretty darn good. Jim Rice was probably the gold standard, it took Dwight Evans five years to get started so I left him out.

    Rice (22)  22   102  .309

    Fisk (24)  22 61  .293

    Burks (22)  20   59   .272

    Rico  (22)   13  33   .238

    Tony C  (19)  24   52  .290

    Valentin (26)   11   66   .278

    Boomer (22)  27  90   .245

    Hillenbrand (25)  12  49  .263

     
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    In response to tom-uk's comment:

    Good work VT

    OBP   MiLB   MLB


    WMB     332    ???

    Foster   351   338

    Howard  373   352

    Belle      361   369

    Stargell   319   360



    FYI, Stargell's minor-league OBP wasn't really 319 - aparently they didn't keep track of walks in the 1960 northern league, but I'm sure he had some.

     

     
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    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to hill55's comment:

    In response to RSF4Life234's comment:

    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to hill55's comment: 

    Congratulations to Will Middlebrooks and Mike Napoli for being named the American League's co-players of the week.

    I'm beginning to think Middlebrooks is a clone of Mark Reynolds, another streaky slugger. Compare the numbers for Middlebrooks' nine games ending September 8 with the stats for Reynolds' nine games ending September 8 last year:

    WM13 9 G, 38 PA, 9 R, 4 HR, 9 RBI, .400/.447/.777/1.219

    MR12 9 G, 38 PA, 11 R, 9 HR, 17 RBI, .364/.447/1.182/1.629

    Compare Middlebrooks' numbers since his recall on August 10 with Reynolds' stats over the same period in 2012:

    WM13 26 G, 99 PA, 18 R, 6 HR, 16 RBI, .368/.434/.621/1.055

    MR12 25 G, 99 PA, 18 R, 12 HR, 25 RBI, .317/.434/.780/1.215

    Middlebrooks nearly matched Reynolds' production over those hot streaks.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=middlwi01&t=b&year=2013

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=reynoma01&t=b&year=2012

    Using 9-game samples to disparage young players we're excited about is a good way to lose the last of your defenders.

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    That and he's posted the same thing on about 5 other threads. A little pikeish.

    To be precise, I posted the information to two relevant threads, including this one, but I'll forgive your hyperbole.Wink

    To slomag, I'm somewhat humored that you consider my citation to Will Middlebrooks' .400/.447/.777/1.219 line in nine games "disparaging." My previous posts on Middlebrooks frequently concentrated on his minor league sample of 400-plus games.

    From several angles, Will Middlebrooks and Mark Reynolds are similar hitters. Each streaky slugger has value.

    So you were complimenting Middlebrooks by comparing him to a player DFA'd 30 days ago?  I'm sure you could have found a similar stretch for Mike Schmidt or Scott Rolen.  But you chose Mark Reynolds.

    Other than Middlebrooks's struggles over the first two months of his sophomore season, do have any support for his being "streaky"?



    In the past 14 days, Will Middlebrooks has gone 4-for-35 with a .139 on-base percentage, one run, one RBI and no homeruns shortly after being named the American League Co-Player of the Week.

    That's evidence of a streaky player (albeit a streaky player with value).

     
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    In response to royf19's comment:

    Will Middlebrooks has now played 75 games this year and 75 games last year, the equivelent of a full season.

    Compare:

    2012: 286 PA, 34 R, 77 H, 14 2B, 15 HR, 54 RBI, .288/.325/.509/.835, 29 XBH
    2013: 296 PA, 31 R, 63 H, 17 2B, 12 HR, 38 RBI, .231/.278/.425/.703/ 29 XBH

    Oh, and his K/BB was 70/13 last year and 77/17 this year. So his strikeout rate was only slightly higher this year as was his walk rate.

    So for his first 150 games, basically a full season in 582 PA and 540 AB, he had:

    65 runs scored, 31 2B, 27 HR, 92 RBI, 30 BB, 147 K, .259/.301/467/.768.

    That's a pretty good rookie year. So what we have to see is this. Which is Middlebrooks closer to being?

    The player who was on a 30 HR, 108 RBI, .288 BA pace for 150 games last year.

    The player who is on a 24 HR, 76 RBI, .231 BA pace for 150 games this year.

    Or the guy in the middle who has 27-92-.259 for his first 150 games.

    If he's the guy in the middle next year, I'll take 27-92-.259 for a full season from my starting 3B next year. While 147 Ks are high, it's not terrible.  It wouldn't have put him in the top 10 last year and likely won't this year.

    I'll take the .259 BA with the power and run production but, but I'd still like to see it at least 20 points higher.




     
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    10 errors in 219 chances plus terrible footwork around the bag means he's no Mike Schmidt. He's got a lot of work to do yet.

     

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