Next Rule Change - NO MORE PHANTOM DOUBLE PLAYS

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    Next Rule Change - NO MORE PHANTOM DOUBLE PLAYS

    You have to tag second base, yes, actually touch it before relaying to first. Runners will have to run hard on both ends and infielders will have to actually execute legit double plays. I hate this more than anything in baseball

     
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    In response to georom4's comment:
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    You have to tag second base, yes, actually touch it before relaying to first. Runners will have to run hard on both ends and infielders will have to actually execute legit double plays. I hate this more than anything in baseball

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    Amen Geo.  

     
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    Re: Next Rule Change - NO MORE PHANTOM DOUBLE PLAYS

    with expanded replay coming i suppose they actually will have to touch the bag. if they don't then the manager challenges and the runner is safe.

     

    but yes, i agree. the "neighborhood" play is complete garbage. either you touched the bag and got the out. or you didn't. you can't and shouldn't have both.

     
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    Totally agree..

     
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    Not gonna happen.  The neighborhood play is about giving some protection to the second baseman, so if they're trying to cut down on injuries, they're certainly not going to change this. 

     
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    Not gonna happen.  The neighborhood play is about giving some protection to the second baseman, so if they're trying to cut down on injuries, they're certainly not going to change this. 

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    but the neighborhood play isn't in the rule book (i don't think). So next year when managers constantly challenge it umpires will have no choice but to call the runner safe @ second.

     
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:
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    Not gonna happen.  The neighborhood play is about giving some protection to the second baseman, so if they're trying to cut down on injuries, they're certainly not going to change this. 

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    sorry guys Hfxsoxnut is right

     the neighborhood play is not reviewable

     

     

    can't believe no one read the home plate thread

     

     
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    OK, I will settle for a moderate adjust in the definition of nighborhood.  Like 3 square blocks vs. the city limits on all sides.

     
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    OK, I will settle for a moderate adjust in the definition of nighborhood.  Like 3 square blocks vs. the city limits on all sides.

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    sometimes we're talking out of state.

    I mean, i understand why the rule is in place - to keep the fielder from getting blown up but COME ON!

    There were a couple Drew got in the PS where even i was like "CMON BLUE! GET YOUR EYES CHECKED!!"

     
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    In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:
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    OK, I will settle for a moderate adjust in the definition of nighborhood.  Like 3 square blocks vs. the city limits on all sides.

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    sometimes we're talking out of state.

    I mean, i understand why the rule is in place - to keep the fielder from getting blown up but COME ON!

    There were a couple Drew got in the PS where even i was like "CMON BLUE! GET YOUR EYES CHECKED!!"

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    Oh ... i didn't notice any of those ... Wink

     
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    Re: Next Rule Change - NO MORE PHANTOM DOUBLE PLAYS

    The next big rule cange will be when the NL adds the DH so that no one ever needs to see a pitcher with a bat in his hands

     
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    Re: Next Rule Change - NO MORE PHANTOM DOUBLE PLAYS

    Nope, they've already said that the neighborhood double play still will be unreviewable, along with three other things.

    - a catch/trap call on a play by an infielder

    - a runner being out of the baseline when going from home plate to 1b

    - whether a ball is fair or foul when it goes over the bag.

    There's just no way they're going to take away the phantom tag of 2B at a time when they're trying to prevent injuries.

     

     
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    Not gonna happen.  The neighborhood play is about giving some protection to the second baseman, so if they're trying to cut down on injuries, they're certainly not going to change this. 

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    This should be a judgement call on the part of the umpire; THAT should be the rule change. The fielder making the relay throw to first base is in a very vulnerable position. If he actually has to confront guys running hard from first to break up the DP he is going to get hurt. That would be incredibly stupid, to put him in that position.

     
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    Not gonna happen.  The neighborhood play is about giving some protection to the second baseman, so if they're trying to cut down on injuries, they're certainly not going to change this. 

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    I don't agree.  This is baseball, not made-for-TV drama.  If the second basement or SS gets taken out of the play, fine -- that's his decision, whether to stay or run.  Is everyone afraid of contact these days?

     

     
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    I don't agree.  This is baseball, not made-for-TV drama.  If the second basement or SS gets taken out of the play, fine -- that's his decision, whether to stay or run.  Is everyone afraid of contact these days?

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    I get what you're saying.  But MLB and the NFL are doing this stuff to try to cut down on serious injuries - injuries that can end seasons and careers and even ruin lives.  It's not easy to strike a balance that everybody's going to like. 

     
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    In response to Ergoetal's comment:
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    I don't agree.  This is baseball, not made-for-TV drama.  If the second basement or SS gets taken out of the play, fine -- that's his decision, whether to stay or run.  Is everyone afraid of contact these days?

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    I get what you're saying.  But MLB and the NFL are doing this stuff to try to cut down on serious injuries - injuries that can end seasons and careers and even ruin lives.  It's not easy to strike a balance that everybody's going to like. 

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    but to address it by allowing "Phantom" calls?...........what is NOT in the neighborhood? How do you measure that?.......

    don't want injuries but focus should be on the player coming into the base.....that is the player who can control the contact.

     
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    Nope, they've already said that the neighborhood double play still will be unreviewable, along with three other things.

    - a catch/trap call on a play by an infielder

    - a runner being out of the baseline when going from home plate to 1b

    - whether a ball is fair or foul when it goes over the bag.

    There's just no way they're going to take away the phantom tag of 2B at a time when they're trying to prevent injuries.

     

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    I dont really recall many injuries from people sliding into second base....contact can always cause harm but there is nothing more dangerous than a 100mph ball coming at your head....

     
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    It's like travelling or the 3-second lane rule in the NBA, they should enforce those rules too.

     
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    In response to georom4's comment:
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    In response to S5's comment:
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    Nope, they've already said that the neighborhood double play still will be unreviewable, along with three other things.

    - a catch/trap call on a play by an infielder

    - a runner being out of the baseline when going from home plate to 1b

    - whether a ball is fair or foul when it goes over the bag.

    There's just no way they're going to take away the phantom tag of 2B at a time when they're trying to prevent injuries.

     

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    I dont really recall many injuries from people sliding into second base....contact can always cause harm but there is nothing more dangerous than a 100mph ball coming at your head....

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    Yep, and that's why the neighborhood double play will stay.  It gives IF's a chance to get out of the way and avoid injury, just like they've been doing for years. 

    I don't like it either but I understand why the rule is enforced the way it is and why it won't be enforced to the letter of the law.

     

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