Re: Now it's time to talk Theo compensation.
posted at 1/18/2012 1:25 PM EST
In Response to Re: Now it's time to talk Theo compensation.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Now it's time to talk Theo compensation. : Seriously, why is a person whose signature includes "born member of the evil empire" commenting on the compensation issue? Do you really think you're qualified to be objective about this? The value of an executive is certainly much more than the performances of the past two teams. First of all, "third place team" is incredibly misleading, given then the Sox finished behind two playoff teams in each of those years, and especially considering that in 2010 the team finished in third soley due to abnormal and impossible to plan for injuries. No excuses, but you can't put the blame on the GM there. Epstein's value even goes far beyond his two championships. More than anything, the way he rebuilt Red Sox player development, fashioned the long-term competitiveness of the team, and overhauled player evaluation is his legacy. "Add to the fact that Boston didn't want him anymore" is simply factually incorrect. Epstein was eying a promotion that the Sox couldn't offer due to the fact that Boston already has the position filled by someone the franchise likes a lot. Good for Epstein for receiving this new opportunity, but it isn't Boston's fault and doesn't reflect on them at all. You're correct that the delay and lack of immediate insistence on compensation hurts the potential value of compensation, but you're way off base on everything else you said. Please don't compose arguments that aim to just make your desired point and ignore a large portion of the evidence, it's uncouth.
Posted by redsoxu571[/QUOTE]
Very simple - it is my nature to be objective, whether the conversation is baseball, music, money or life. You will never see me boast or scream about the team I root for. I will provide a statement based on what I believe to be true and factual. And the evidence I provide is absolutely on the mark. There is no homerism in my opinion. 2004 & 2007 mean very little in this conversation.
And there are arguments abound that say Boston's resurgence cannnot all be credited to Theo. In someone else's comments, they showed that the highest level of compensation ever given for a F.O. Executive involved Minn. and Andy McPhail and that compensation came to much of nothing. As to your point about Theo wanting something that Boston couldn't give him, then that tells me that Theo didn't want to be there anymore and Boston had no issue in letting him walk before his contract expired. I am sure Theo knew that his request would be rebuffed considering his knowledge of the Sox F.O. and the way they think.
Boston made a mistake and it is not up to the Cubs or the Commissioner to make it right. An on field manager in the example used (Maddon) is worth far more than Theo. And the fact is that Boston made a decision to let him walk as they did and did not demand an immediate give back. The longer this plays out, I think the less Boston will receive. This is the economics of baseball. What can Boston do, demand that Theo come back and then be on the hook for his salary? I don't believe they will do that. If this was the Yankees, I would say the exact same thing. NY has to suffer for another 6 years due to Hank Steinbrenner's stupidity and the extension of A-rod's contract. I wouldn't even try to sugar coat that, even though they are my rooting interest. The Yanks failed miserably going into the 2010 season letting both Damon and Matsui go and signing Johnson. Horrible business and Cashman failed outright on that. Ownership decided last year to go against GM Cashman and signed Soriano to one of the dumbest contracts ever. No whitewashing that either.
Yes, just because I am a born member of the Evil Empire doesn't mean that I cannot look at things objectively when it comes to the Sox and Yankees.