Ortiz, Should he stay or should he go?

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    Michael Morse - 1 Year @ $1.05M
    2012 UFA...

    BAHRRBIOBP
    Regular Season .3033195.360
    Career .29652183.356
     
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    cant decide without knowing his asking price, all this talk is irrelevant;

    he SHOULD stay if he takes little and

    he SHOULDNT if he wont

    its very simple actually
     
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    [QUOTE]Michael Morse - 1 Year @ $1.05M 2012 UFA... BA HR RBI OBP Regular Season .303 31 95 .360 Career .296 52 183 .356
    Posted by WesternOregon[/QUOTE]
    Michael  Morse, who entered the 2011 season with three years and 114 days of MLB service, remains under his team's control for another two seasons.

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dDdfMjIxSE9MY2tnSzZUeTVKYUVncWc&output=html

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/washington-nationals_01.html
     
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    Thanks, obviously Mr. Morse stands to make some reasonable money between 2011 and 2013, when he'll turn 31.
     
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    It's not a must to sign Papi. I'm sure Ben and LL will do their due dilligence and come up with an offer. $9 M, $7 M and a $2 M buy out in year 3. If he can get a third year guaranteed go for it.

    I would be shocked if Pap comes back--he would have to be overwhelmed with a $40 to 45 M over 3 years from the Sox--I believe he will take a little less if he wants to close for the Phillies or go closer to Mississippi.
     
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    STAY!
     
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    [QUOTE]Ok, let's stick to the facts then. Ortiz had one homer in September and just a few hits. He was terrible after the all star break. Tito kept him in the line up during his hitless streaks, and there are reports that Ortiz ignored tito's requests to skip the home run derby, two years in a row. Down the stretch Ortiz was unable to produce, and not able to lift the team. Ortiz went 1 for 13 his last post season appearance.
    Posted by jackbu[/QUOTE]

    1-Most of the team stunk in september.  If you get rid of everyone that did badly in Sept, who would be left?

    2-IRT to doing terribly after the ASB, he had a .936 OPS.  You should've looked that up.

    3-1-13?  Again, we need to get rid of everyone that had 3 bad games in 2009?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ortiz, Should he stay or should he go? : There were only two players to hit 40 HR last year and only one player to drive in 110 and hit 40, Granderson.
    Posted by BosoxJoe5[/QUOTE]

    Beat me to it.  The poster should asked for a 50 or 60 HR hitter while he was at it.  And maybe a couple of players that could hit .360.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ortiz, Should he stay or should he go? : If they're not interested, then Cashman isn't all he's cracked up to be. Big Papi might launch 50 bombs playing half his games at Yankee Stadium.
    Posted by carnie[/QUOTE]

    Montero will be their DH, and he can hit.  They won't add $12M to their payroll and send Montero down just to get a slightly better DH.  They need pitching, not more DHs.
     
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    [QUOTE]Russian Roulette if you sign him in terms of his age and injuries. Why not get younger and more healthy? The team should move away from both long-term contracts (over 4 years) and old players (over 35).  Now that being said if Papi wants to come back for lets say 5 mill. for one year why not.
    Posted by Wolfpack13[/QUOTE]

    Here's the thing, and you and the rest of the dump-Papi crowd have missed it completely.

    Before you dump Papi, you need a replacement strategy.

    *You want to get younger and healthier, but Papi has only had one injury with us in 9 years.
    *Another poster want 40 HR, which exactly 2 players had.

    Papi was 4th in the league in OPS.  How will you and the others replace him? 

    BTW, I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just pointing to the issues.

    Start with the .953 OPS.  Who will replace that?
     
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    [QUOTE]The bottom line is: he has not been clutch since 07. The sox were terrible with him this and the last two years. It is time to part ways.
    Posted by jackbu[/QUOTE]

    You have an uncanny ability to smell out an Ortiz thread from three miles away upwind. What happened? Did he refuse to give you an autograph?

     
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    [QUOTE]Time for the mood swing we call Big Papi to head into the sunset.  Thanks for everything Big Papi.  You gotta go
    Posted by freddym48[/QUOTE]
    Ortiz should because of his age? Ortiz should go because of 30 hrs and 100rbi's If it's because of 30hrs and 100rbi's then maybe ELLS should go also...RIGHT???
     
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    I think Papi 2012+ is a marginal decision.  For 500k he'd be great value....for 12m we're paying full retail price.  Bat still good, if not great, no glove limits roster flexibility and there are certainly more Thomes out there to be had at great value IF you find the right one.

    But as the Sox are full of uncertainties right now locking him in for 2 years at a reasonable cost probably makes sense.

    But our 2012 DH is waaayyyy down my list of concerns.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Ortiz, Should he stay or should he go? : Everyone from the organization who has spoken to date has agreed unanimously on one thing--that this team desperately needs clubhouse leadership. Whether it's veteran players like Pedroia, Gonzales or Crawford looking to step up and take a more prominent leadership role, or signing players with character from the outside and bringing them in to lead, one thing is certain; nobody is going to be successful in becoming a leader on this team as long as Ortiz, Varitek, or Wakefield is still around. Ortiz believes he is Red Sox 'royalty,' while the other two feel entitled to life-long contracts based solely on years of service.  The old saying about being unable to "Teach an old dog new tricks," applies here. The simple presence of any of the three will pevent any player from taking a vocal leadership role on this team. And the fact that Henry, Werner, Luchhino, Epstein, and now Cherington, doesn't get this speaks volumes about how in tune they are with what's going on in the clubhouse.
    Posted by greenapplesplatters[/QUOTE]

    "The old saying about being unable to "Teach an old dog new tricks," applies here. The simple presence of any of the three will pevent any player from taking a vocal leadership role on this team. And the fact that Henry, Werner, Luchhino, Epstein, and now Cherington, doesn't get this speaks volumes about how in tune they are with what's going on in the clubhouse."



    you make a strong point here about changeover now wiht these players.
    re larry and the gang, clear teh move with cherington will not rock the boat and i suspect, but pray otherwise, that they get another yes man like francona over a guy with some gravity, dignity, baseball acumen and something to offer.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think Papi 2012+ is a marginal decision.  For 500k he'd be great value....for 12m we're paying full retail price.  Bat still good, if not great, no glove limits roster flexibility and there are certainly more Thomes out there to be had at great value IF you find the right one. But as the Sox are full of uncertainties right now locking him in for 2 years at a reasonable cost probably makes sense. But our 2012 DH is waaayyyy down my list of concerns.
    Posted by SonicsMonksLyresVicars[/QUOTE]

    "no glove limits roster flexibility "

    this and change in team attitude to slefless all for one cohesive unit are reasons we may want to part especially if we can pick up some of the production elsewhere with a guy wiht this kind of attitude.
     
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    I for one am glad he stayed :-)

     
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    The bottom line is: he has not been clutch since 07. The sox were terrible with him this and the last two years. It is time to part ways.
    Posted by jackbu

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    You have an uncanny ability to smell out an Ortiz thread from three miles away upwind. What happened? Did he refuse to give you an autograph?

    [/QUOTE]

    SSDD Surprised

     

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