Our Red Sox NEED a new starter...Should be #1 priority NOW.

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    Our Red Sox NEED a new starter...Should be #1 priority NOW.

    WELCOME Mr. Valentine.

    Starting pitching was THE weakest link on a talented team last year, Dice K is probably gone for good, right? Lackey was near 7 runs per 9 innings, IS there 1 quality (non-rehab) starter that we can trade for or sign in FA????

    Should be our #1 priority right now, WHO is available?
     
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    In Response to Our Red Sox NEED a new starter...Should be #1 priority NOW.:
    [QUOTE]WELCOME Mr. Valentine. Starting pitching was THE weakest link on a talented team last year, Dice K is probably gone for good, right? Lackey was near 7 runs per 9 innings, IS there 1 quality (non-rehab) starter that we can trade for or sign in FA???? Should be our #1 priority right now, WHO is available?
    Posted by DeweyCBoston[/QUOTE]

    Not disagreeing that an SP should be priority.  But, just in answer to your query:  Daisuke is not gone for good.  projections have him, if all goes well, back around midsummerish.  I am interested to see what bobby V. can get out of him.
     
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    Sox are one of 14 teams interested in Buehrle - he is going to cash in.
     
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    The health of Clay is really a determining factor in this.  Also, what is the 2012 plan for Aceves?

     
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    In Response to Re: Our Red Sox NEED a new starter...Should be #1 priority NOW.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Our Red Sox NEED a new starter...Should be #1 priority NOW. : Not disagreeing that an SP should be priority.  But, just in answer to your query:  Daisuke is not gone for good.  projections have him, if all goes well, back around midsummerish.  I am interested to see what bobby V. can get out of him.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus[/QUOTE]

    Agreed, Space.  I'm not expecting anything from Dice K, but maybe Bobby can get through to him a little bit.  That would be a big plus in my book.
     
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    No on Buehrle. Too much and too long for high mileage pitcher. Beware of an old age FA who can't agree to or does not receive an extension offer from a larger market team.

    Red Sox need to trade Ellsbury and Lowrie, blocked prospects and 2nd tier pitching prospect to get a young star RH OFer and younger midde tier starting pitcher. Obviously, no top tier lower mileage and young pitcher will be on the trade market.
     
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    [QUOTE]The health of Clay is really a determining factor in this.  Also, what is the 2012 plan for Aceves?
    Posted by Thesemenarecowards[/QUOTE]

    Aceves is a big question mark.  Word is that the club told him to come to camp prepared to start of relieve.  I am a proponent of moving him into the rotation.  The guy is a pit bull.  And, it is truly remarkable what he did last year.  How hard is it to never have a defined role, sometimes setting up, sometimes going long, sometimes starting, and still answering the bell and being effective time and time again.  I can only imagine that having a defined role, take the ball every five and go get 'em, would make Aceves even better.

    But, of course, how do they replace him in the pen?

    I don't know the answer.  But, unless the numbers crunch that they can bring in 2 good starters, I think Aceves is a reasonable option.
     
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    In Response to Our Red Sox NEED a new starter...Should be #1 priority NOW.:
    [QUOTE]WELCOME Mr. Valentine. Starting pitching was THE weakest link on a talented team last year, Dice K is probably gone for good, right? Lackey was near 7 runs per 9 innings, IS there 1 quality (non-rehab) starter that we can trade for or sign in FA???? Should be our #1 priority right now, WHO is available?
    Posted by DeweyCBoston[/QUOTE]
       I have to respectfully disagree, while SP is certainly a need, the bull-pen has to be #1 priority, at this point in time it is an absolute mess. Pap is gone the talk of making Bard and Aceves starters leaves critical area of team devoid of talent. In this day of 5 and 6 inning pitchers a deep pen is a must with teams giving 7 and 8 spots to relievers the day of just having a set-up man and closer are over. Nothing kills the spirit of a team than constantly coughing up leads in late innings, and conversly a good pen can swallow up many a teams mistakes.
     
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    Aceves value is in the rotation, not set-up. Had he been moved into rotation last summer, after injuries to rotation, Red Sox win at least 93 or more games and had the talent to win it all.
     
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    I agree that Aceves best value is as a starter, though it does leave a thin pen even thinner.

    So then you have Jon, Josh, Clay, Alfredo, ______ with Dice maybe ready to contribute in July.  Miller? Again, the health of Clay is paramount to this discussion.
     
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    Interesting that, in the media at large, from Sox club 'sources', or really anywhere, there has been nary a mention of Bedard.  If his value flies under the radar and the Sox can retain his services for a modest price, I would be happy with Erik in the rotation.
     
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    The sox SP problems go beyond signing a starter.  They have no SP depth in the entire organization. If they sign a #1 starter (which they don't need) and nothing else, the team won't be any better than last year.

    This team has a history of SP breaking down.  They regularly limp to the end of the season because of a lack of quality pitching.

    The have no depth at the SP position in the organization and have nothing to trade for young quality pitching.

     
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    [QUOTE]Interesting that, in the media at large, from Sox club 'sources', or really anywhere, there has been nary a mention of Bedard.  If his value flies under the radar and the Sox can retain his services for a modest price, I would be happy with Erik in the rotation.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, when Bedard does his annual mid season injury/collapse Dice K will come to the rescue.  I can't imagine Bedard's value is very high right now and as far as 5th starters go, you could do worse.  We have.
     
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    bobbysu: If Ellsbury brings in young pitching and you sign Yoennis Cespedes for CF...
     
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    Dan Haren is a starter that could be our #1. He has a 9 year career ERA in the 3's, he consistently pitches in excess of 200 innings. He would require our best prospects and perhaps a position player. There is a team option for 2013.

    Whether he's available from the Angels would be questionnable based on their thin starting pitching.
     
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    Bobby V loves guys like Ellsbury. You will not see him on the trade market, forget this one.

    Which Ellsbury, the 2008 to 2010 seasons Ellsbury, or the 2011 Ellsbury from the collapse team?

    Bobby V better learn to love Crawford, and he better learn to trade Crawford contract seeking Ellsbury for a long term Rh OF'er and a decent starting pitcher.  
     
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    Ellsbury should be tradeable, but only for a frontline starter and nothing less.  Otherwise, he needs to stay and continue to star for the Sox.  If he is traded, the Sox will have a huge hole in the lineup and in the outfield. 
     
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    There is no one on the free agent listing that is a #1 nor a #2 candiate pitcher. If he is, this guy will be getting so many offers quickly which that is why Berhrle is getting alot of offers lately.  And for Wilson too (I do not know why there are alot of teams like Wilson which I think he is over-rated just like Burkett or Lackey).

    To make the rotation stronger for Boston,  I just strongly think Boston just sign pitcher like Maholm or Jackson, and trade for a pitcher such as Garza, Jurijen, etc where they can just fill in the last two spots.  If one of the starting five pitcher is becoming an often injure prone pitcher, Boston can try to call up Wieland, Bowen, Tawaza or Doubmont to pitch occassionally.

    I would love to have Berhrle, but his asking price is going to be high.  
     
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     If he is traded, the Sox will have a huge hole in the lineup and in the outfield.

    Crawford was paid 142M to do what Ellsbury did for one career season. Not hard to replace Ellsbury career median averages at all. Kalish or Reddick plus what Ellsbury is traded for will improve the team, even if Red Sox have to sign a one year Rh OF deal from outside.
     
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    [QUOTE] If he is traded, the Sox will have a huge hole in the lineup and in the outfield. Crawford was paid 142M to do what Ellsbury did for one career season. Not hard to replace Ellsbury career median averages at all. Kalish or Reddick plus what Ellsbury is traded for will improve the team, even if Red Sox have to sign a one year Rh OF deal from outside.
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    You often make very intelligent observations, astute critiques.  But, please, enough of Ellsbury and the career median averages.  Making judgements on Ellsbury's pre-career-year averages, his first two full years in the majors, is not one of your more intelligent assertions.
     
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    Just a question. How many #1 starters are there in baseball period and what is your definition of a #1?
     
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    [QUOTE] If he is traded, the Sox will have a huge hole in the lineup and in the outfield. Crawford was paid 142M to do what Ellsbury did for one career season. Not hard to replace Ellsbury career median averages at all. Kalish or Reddick plus what Ellsbury is traded for will improve the team, even if Red Sox have to sign a one year Rh OF deal from outside.
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    You probably have the capability to provide good insights but unfortunately you're so owned by things you've already said you just become a predictable sideshow, turning every topic into a platform for your own causes. 

    Please, tell us all again how you feel about Ells, Wake, and Tek, you haven't made it clear.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Our Red Sox NEED a new starter...Should be #1 priority NOW. : You often make very intelligent observations, astute critiques.  But, please, enough of Ellsbury and the career median averages.  Making judgements on Ellsbury's pre-career-year averages, his first two full years in the majors, is not one of your more intelligent assertions.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus[/QUOTE]

    LOL Dr. Leo Spa Ce men.  L to the O to the L.
     
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    Agree that a quality starter should be the priority.  Also agree that Aceves should be in the rotation. Obviously , it would be hard to replace him in the pen , but a good starting pitcher has more value than a middle reliever. As for Ellsbury , I think the question is : Was last year a fluke, or can he continue to play at that level?   If he can continue to play at that level , he would be one of the best all around players in the game , and it would be foolish to trade him.  We will just have to see what happens next season. Should not use the apparent mistake made in signing Crawford as justification for trading Ellsbury. That would only compound the problem.  Kalish and Reddick have done nothing to indicate that they are in Ellsbury's class as an all around player. 
     

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