Over/Under Ortiz Back to DL in 3 Months

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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    A big loss because the A's creamed Aceves, who had two balks to go with the walks and hits and then blamed the weather (a good point, but the weather didn't seem to affect Colon) and his teammates. Not playing Ortiz last night was borderline genius.

    A big loss because the Red Sox lineup couldn't win a slugging contest in it's own homefield. In fact, they couldn't score a single run. It's not "borderline genius" to sit a 13 million dollar DH who is paid to slug, in a game where the Red Sox had no slugging at all.

    As for Drew, he continues to play errorless ball at SS  (Errorless ball at SS is little more than a sign that the SS has almost no range for what should be greatest range infielder on the team)  while averaging more FC's (fielding chances) per game than Iglesias did (chances per game are a function of scoring and random probability) and also being in over twice as many double plays. (DP's are function of random probability and there are no stats that reflect the "tailor made" DP chances)  He is much better at SS than Lugo with his erratic arm ever was.   (In fact, Lugo has way more range, a stronger arm, and his arm was not "erratic" by virtue of plays he tried to make that S. Drew can't get near. Lugo was the wire to wire starting SS on the last AL winning title winning Red Sox team. S. Drew is a loser) His hitting stinks, but should come around. (His hitting is an embarrassment and it hasn't come around in years)  No sin in preferring Iglesias, I hasten to add, but wrong to claim Drew is a disaster and that he can't hit. (Right to say that S. Drew can't hit and hasn't hit for years and is a 10 million dollar disaster, a bum who isn't any true defenive whiz SS and was brought in to get slugging from the defensive position of SS)  In case you've forgotten, that concussion lingered quite a while, which severely truncated Drew's ST. (Excuses are like Obama, that's the same nonsense they used to try and apologize for Ellsbury in 2012. All season long, it's going to be "his spring training was truncated". 

    This thread was/is a desperate attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that so far Ortiz is hitting great--granted, a very small sample size--and better than we had any right to expect.

    Ortiz is not "hitting great", he's got a slow bat and is punch and judy hitting in what was used to bash Iglesias. Since he's been in bed twice in the few days he's been back, his atomic sample size is even smaller.

    Ortiz got that contract because he has consistently been the best hitter in the Sox lineup for literally years, including last year when his OPS was over 1000 and the rest of the team was well under 800.

    So, if a guy is old and gets hurt, you pretend that he should get a big 2 year contract for what he last did in 2011, and you claim that an OPS for a season that was a half-season breadkown means his OPS was over 1000 for a full season. In reality, Ortiz was going to fall off the cliff had they not hid him on the DL for a large part of 2011.

    He isn't just getting singles and doubles, he is smacking the ball hard on most of his at bats. The dingers will come, but in the meantime it's also good to see him hitting to all fields.

    He's not "smacking the ball hard on most of his at bats", when he isn't back in bed. The "dingers" aren't coming for a full season, Ortiz is gong to be exposed with the DL or part-time status and big drop-off in slugging production in RBI's and HR over a full season. He's not capable of that anymore, despite your pipe dreaming.



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    you know, there is so much more space available for level-headed comments when you ignore all the whining little girls...Good idea hugh...

     
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    A little strange having a thread dedicated to convincing us how worthless one of our players is even though he has been and continues to be one of the best hitters in Sox history. 

     
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    Re: Over/Under Ortiz Back to DL in 3 Months

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    A big loss because the A's creamed Aceves, who had two balks to go with the walks and hits and then blamed the weather (a good point, but the weather didn't seem to affect Colon) and his teammates. Not playing Ortiz last night was borderline genius.

    A big loss because the Red Sox lineup couldn't win a slugging contest in it's own homefield. In fact, they couldn't score a single run. It's not "borderline genius" to sit a 13 million dollar DH who is paid to slug, in a game where the Red Sox had no slugging at all.

    As for Drew, he continues to play errorless ball at SS  (Errorless ball at SS is little more than a sign that the SS has almost no range for what should be greatest range infielder on the team)  while averaging more FC's (fielding chances) per game than Iglesias did (chances per game are a function of scoring and random probability) and also being in over twice as many double plays. (DP's are function of random probability and there are no stats that reflect the "tailor made" DP chances)  He is much better at SS than Lugo with his erratic arm ever was.   (In fact, Lugo has way more range, a stronger arm, and his arm was not "erratic" by virtue of plays he tried to make that S. Drew can't get near. Lugo was the wire to wire starting SS on the last AL winning title winning Red Sox team. S. Drew is a loser) His hitting stinks, but should come around. (His hitting is an embarrassment and it hasn't come around in years)  No sin in preferring Iglesias, I hasten to add, but wrong to claim Drew is a disaster and that he can't hit. (Right to say that S. Drew can't hit and hasn't hit for years and is a 10 million dollar disaster, a bum who isn't any true defenive whiz SS and was brought in to get slugging from the defensive position of SS)  In case you've forgotten, that concussion lingered quite a while, which severely truncated Drew's ST. (Excuses are like Obama, that's the same nonsense they used to try and apologize for Ellsbury in 2012. All season long, it's going to be "his spring training was truncated". 

    This thread was/is a desperate attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that so far Ortiz is hitting great--granted, a very small sample size--and better than we had any right to expect.

    Ortiz is not "hitting great", he's got a slow bat and is punch and judy hitting in what was used to bash Iglesias. Since he's been in bed twice in the few days he's been back, his atomic sample size is even smaller.

    Ortiz got that contract because he has consistently been the best hitter in the Sox lineup for literally years, including last year when his OPS was over 1000 and the rest of the team was well under 800.

    So, if a guy is old and gets hurt, you pretend that he should get a big 2 year contract for what he last did in 2011, and you claim that an OPS for a season that was a half-season breadkown means his OPS was over 1000 for a full season. In reality, Ortiz was going to fall off the cliff had they not hid him on the DL for a large part of 2011.

    He isn't just getting singles and doubles, he is smacking the ball hard on most of his at bats. The dingers will come, but in the meantime it's also good to see him hitting to all fields.

    He's not "smacking the ball hard on most of his at bats", when he isn't back in bed. The "dingers" aren't coming for a full season, Ortiz is gong to be exposed with the DL or part-time status and big drop-off in slugging production in RBI's and HR over a full season. He's not capable of that anymore, despite your pipe dreaming.




    Most Red Sox fans still wanted Papi around.

    Most thought the contract 'given" to him was absurd, especially considering the injury.

    Why does Stiffy insist upon telling us stuff any neophite RS fan knows???

    He's clinging to something he MIGHT be proven 'right' on!!!  HE'S DESPERATE for a 'win.'

    A 'win' for Stiffy, is when he's proven 'right' about bashing a RS player.

    PATHETIC!

    Well....

    Even with his gamble on rooting AGAINST Papi, and several other RS players, he's been PROVEN (empirically & statistically) WRONG as could be!  Papi is already clicking on all cylinders.  8 games, right off the DL, & he's ONLY hitting .500.  scoring & driving in runs.  Key hits at key times in games.  Helping the Sox win right out of the blocks.  Stiffy???  "Why doesn't he have 8 HR's in 8 games?!?!  What a failure!

    D - Nozzle!  Complete and utter!  What a joke Stiffster is!

    NEWS FLASH STIFFY!!!!!!!   We all know he should not have been given a golden parachute 2 yr. contract, but because we LOVE THE GUY for all he has done for the Sox????   We're OVER IT!  Now, we're simply rooting for him, because he's ONE OF US!  If he needs to be sidelined?  We're ok with that.  Whatever helps this team win.  You will never get that!!!  You're no Sox fan!!!!  You're a Stiffy fan! 

    Naps?  The guy could not be ripping it any better!!!  As I said he would.  Perhaps the best contract the Sox have signed in years!  AS I SAID IT WAS, the moment they reduced it to $5 M, 1 yr.  YOU?  You excoriated the 1 yr. , 5 Million!  WHY?  For more self-aggrandizement, when it hopefully went south.  Again.........  You root against Sox players consistently.

    What a pathetic existence.  Obsessively following a team you hate, simply so you can predict failure, then seize upon it.  More often than not, you're wrong.  You're existence is basically a failure.  At least 75% of the time.  Yet, you get through it by pathalogically claiming 'I was right.'  Despite the facts. 

    I LOVE STIFFY!!!!  :)    It's always fun watching somebody who clings to a false reality when their rooting against your guys!  Even more fun????  He doesn't even know he's wrong!  EVER!  LOL!!!  :)

    There's always one in the crowd!  Billy-69 is a bonus!

     
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    Re: Over/Under Ortiz Back to DL in 3 Months

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Correct.

    Note, J. Upton homers in both games of a doubleheader, has 11 or 12 homers already. Prado and some less than top prospects. If I was the GM, J. Upton would be with the Red Sox on an extension to age 33, by converting Ellsbury and his draft compensation to the 2nd rate 3rd base veteran bum that the DBacks wanted and by sending any 3 farm prospects the DBacks want other than Bradley, Barnes and Bogaerts. Yes, the great Webster might have been picked in those 3, but he doesn't play everyday.




    If you were the GM, Upton would still be in Atlanta, as you failed to top even their modest offer...

     
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    Re: Over/Under Ortiz Back to DL in 3 Months

    The headline reads "in 3 Months".   You can interpret this prediction as Ortiz back to the DL on July 22nd.  He could go on the DL before then and recover.  Given that this prediction sets such a narrow window of time for being on the DL, I'll take the over.  

     
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    I don't understand what the fixation is on now complaining that Ortiz ( less than 1 week off the DL) is not hitting HR's. To me..this reflects a profound lack of understanding about the game of baseball.

    When Ortiz is batting cleanup..his job is to hit in runs..not hit home runs. The homeruns are a bonus..but I'll take RBI's out of Ortiz any day of the week. As long as he keeps hitting in runs he is doing his job.

     

     
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    Re: Over/Under Ortiz Back to DL in 3 Months

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    A big loss because the A's creamed Aceves, who had two balks to go with the walks and hits and then blamed the weather (a good point, but the weather didn't seem to affect Colon) and his teammates. Not playing Ortiz last night was borderline genius.

    A big loss because the Red Sox lineup couldn't win a slugging contest in it's own homefield. In fact, they couldn't score a single run. It's not "borderline genius" to sit a 13 million dollar DH who is paid to slug, in a game where the Red Sox had no slugging at all.

    As for Drew, he continues to play errorless ball at SS  (Errorless ball at SS is little more than a sign that the SS has almost no range for what should be greatest range infielder on the team)  while averaging more FC's (fielding chances) per game than Iglesias did (chances per game are a function of scoring and random probability) and also being in over twice as many double plays. (DP's are function of random probability and there are no stats that reflect the "tailor made" DP chances)  He is much better at SS than Lugo with his erratic arm ever was.   (In fact, Lugo has way more range, a stronger arm, and his arm was not "erratic" by virtue of plays he tried to make that S. Drew can't get near. Lugo was the wire to wire starting SS on the last AL winning title winning Red Sox team. S. Drew is a loser) His hitting stinks, but should come around. (His hitting is an embarrassment and it hasn't come around in years)  No sin in preferring Iglesias, I hasten to add, but wrong to claim Drew is a disaster and that he can't hit. (Right to say that S. Drew can't hit and hasn't hit for years and is a 10 million dollar disaster, a bum who isn't any true defenive whiz SS and was brought in to get slugging from the defensive position of SS)  In case you've forgotten, that concussion lingered quite a while, which severely truncated Drew's ST. (Excuses are like Obama, that's the same nonsense they used to try and apologize for Ellsbury in 2012. All season long, it's going to be "his spring training was truncated". 

    This thread was/is a desperate attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that so far Ortiz is hitting great--granted, a very small sample size--and better than we had any right to expect.

    Ortiz is not "hitting great", he's got a slow bat and is punch and judy hitting in what was used to bash Iglesias. Since he's been in bed twice in the few days he's been back, his atomic sample size is even smaller.

    Ortiz got that contract because he has consistently been the best hitter in the Sox lineup for literally years, including last year when his OPS was over 1000 and the rest of the team was well under 800.

    So, if a guy is old and gets hurt, you pretend that he should get a big 2 year contract for what he last did in 2011, and you claim that an OPS for a season that was a half-season breadkown means his OPS was over 1000 for a full season. In reality, Ortiz was going to fall off the cliff had they not hid him on the DL for a large part of 2011.

    He isn't just getting singles and doubles, he is smacking the ball hard on most of his at bats. The dingers will come, but in the meantime it's also good to see him hitting to all fields.

    He's not "smacking the ball hard on most of his at bats", when he isn't back in bed. The "dingers" aren't coming for a full season, Ortiz is gong to be exposed with the DL or part-time status and big drop-off in slugging production in RBI's and HR over a full season. He's not capable of that anymore, despite your pipe dreaming.

    More irrevelant drivel...I'll take 13 wins out of 20 games anytime regardless of who is playing well, hitting well, or pitching well...that's why we have a 25 man roster, that's why we have a minor league system, that's why it's a TEAM game...your continued lack of basic baseball understanding never ceases to amaze...FACE!    

     
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    Re: Over/Under Ortiz Back to DL in 3 Months

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    ...I'll take 13 wins out of 20 games anytime regardless of who is playing well, hitting well, or pitching well...that's why we have a 25 man roster, that's why we have a minor league system, that's why it's a TEAM game...your continued lack of basic baseball understanding never ceases to amaze...FACE!

    There's a reason why the season is 162 games long, regardless of what "you'll take over 20 games".  Your continued polyanish out to lunch baseball understanding doesn't amaze me....Farce for your face!



    That doesn't quite fly.  You virtually promised us Ortiz would be hitless when he returned.  Yes, the season is indeed very long, but right now you have to talk about the long season because in the short term you look very out of touch with reality.  The Sox are winning big time and Ortiz is smacking the ball hard for a team that you believe has almost not decent players (I'm assuming you still like Pedroia but almost no one else). 

     
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    Keep movin' them goalposts softy.  Hey even if papi stays healthy and has a great year you can always gripe about him being sure to decline in the second year of the deal. 

     
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    Re: Over/Under Ortiz Back to DL in 3 Months

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    ...I'll take 13 wins out of 20 games anytime regardless of who is playing well, hitting well, or pitching well...that's why we have a 25 man roster, that's why we have a minor league system, that's why it's a TEAM game...your continued lack of basic baseball understanding never ceases to amaze...FACE!

    There's a reason why the season is 162 games long, regardless of what "you'll take over 20 games".  Your continued polyanish out to lunch baseball understanding doesn't amaze me....Farce for your face!

     



    well now since our record is 15-7 it's now 22 games and counting...all kidding aside softy...aren't you excited that your favorite team has won 15 out of it's first 22?  I admit that if you told me back in February we would be 15-7 on April 26th I would have said you're crazy and you are crazy but that's besdes the point...as the man says...don't worry be happy...the RS are back to being relevant and as usual you are not...oh yea almost forgot...FACE  Tongue Out

     

     

     

     
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    We need to keep this thread alive as a reminder of how softlaw operates. 

    He was so sure Ortiz would be terrible.  Now, faced with legendary hitting, which should be no surprise given Ortiz's career stats, especially OPS, he wants to change the subject and talk about the long season, whether Ortiz's achilles will hold up, etc.  And he's not all wrong there because the FO is monitoring very closely and Farrell is finding ways to give him a day off here and there. 

    But softlaw is a little worried too because he didn't say "back on the DL next week or next month or within 60 days at the latest."  No, sir.  He's giving himself 90 days, which is, guess what, half of an entire season.  This not only gives Ortiz more time to get hurt, but us more time to forget that softlaw is virtually guaranteeing Ortiz will have no positive effect on the Sox season.  In fact, he's already reinforcing his backup position by insisting nothing matters but playoff performance. 

    Meanwhile, he will continue to spread as much bile as possible over the FO, the manager, and virtually the entire team.  He has locked himself into wanting this team to lose.  His fixation on fantasy baseball--what might or should have been--as opposed to real baseball--what is--has made him a pariah. 

     
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    Don't understand all the hate on Ortiz.  What else do you want in a ball player.   Sure he is getting older and is injured sometimes.  So are a lot of young guys.  David produces and is a good teammate.

     
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    Re: Over/Under Ortiz Back to DL in 3 Months

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    my heart says over, my brain says under

    These words say it all. Punch and judy for a short stint, than back to the DL.



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