Pedroia Must Step-Up and Become a Leader

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    The sorry September brought some cold realities about veteran leadership of the Sox. The Old Guard of Varitek, Josh, Wake, and Papi acted selfishly and put themselves (and friends) above the team. Papi, as DH was never a leader (an inspiration with his heroics) but not an example by any means to younger players. He is a PED abuser and that has tainted him forever and left him somewhat defensive and bitter imo.

    Pedey was part of the problem as well in 2011. When the team needed a real leader, he minded his own business and played cribbage with the manager - refusing to rock the boat and take sides. His sorry excuse-filled interview post-collapse was sad. He claimed to not see anything, hear anything, and said nothing in his best Sgt. Schultz impression.

    I believe Pedey has to rise above his current persona as a fun-loving, flaky, high spirited young ballplayer to that of a leader. He posseses all the tools needed to become a great leader. He is super-talented, has a great work-ethic, plays hard every game, and plays smart - always doing right by his team to advance runners/ get in risp, and make heads-up plays. The only thing lacking is gravitas.

    We need him to be a real captain...not a buddy to all, not a binky for some, but a boss on the field. Bobby V can do it in the clubhouse but we need a true leader/captain. I hope Pedroia steps it up. His time has come.
     
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    I would love to have you on my show Pizon. Let's dissect the REAL reasons for the Red Sox collapse last September. My audience is dying to find out.
     
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    [QUOTE]The sorry September brought some cold realities about veteran leadership of the Sox. The Old Guard of Varitek, Josh, Wake, and Papi acted selfishly and put themselves (and friends) above the team. Papi, as DH was never a leader (an inspiration with his heroics) but not an example by any means to younger players. He is a PED abuser and that has tainted him forever and left him somewhat defensive and bitter imo. Pedey was part of the problem as well in 2011. When the team needed a real leader, he minded his own business and played cribbage with the manager - refusing to rock the boat and take sides. His sorry excuse-filled interview post-collapse was sad. He claimed to not see anything, hear anything, and said nothing in his best Sgt. Schultz impression. I believe Pedey has to rise above his current persona as a fun-loving, flaky, high spirited young ballplayer to that of a leader. He posseses all the tools needed to become a great leader. He is super-talented, has a great work-ethic, plays hard every game, and plays smart - always doing right by his team to advance runners/ get in risp, and make heads-up plays. The only thing lacking is gravitas. We need him to be a real captain...not a buddy to all, not a binky for some, but a boss on the field. Bobby V can do it in the clubhouse but we need a true leader/captain. I hope Pedroia steps it up. His time has come.
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]


    Gravitas?
    You mean ductus? (Leadership)
    Not pietas, dignitas or virtus.
     
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    I so desperately want to dig up those old 2006 off-seasn posts from georom where he said things like "By July none of you will remember who Dustin Pedroia is" and link them in this thread...
     
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    actually Notin...it was more like..

    the only job Pedroia will have at Fenway is selling sausage grinders....

    a pretty good line at least but insanely wrong...but as far as this year goes, I am...
     
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    You can't invent leadership.  I've seen larger than life characters with little more than a big personality.  I can lead by example, but I have no inherent leadership skills, nor did I ever have the motivation to be so.
     
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    Joey - I think the only thing preventing Pedroia from being captain is deference to Tek and other vets..Bobby V should make him captain...he is a natural leader
     
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    Dustin Pedroia is already one of the key, if not the key, leader by example.  Dustin plays the game as it is supposed to be played, gets frustrated when injury keeps him from being in the lineup and uses his body and hustle like very few players.  Dustin, and this is a compliment, reminds me of Pete Rose with more power.  Dustin does not have great basepath speed, but, before his rookie season he lost weight, has become a very smart baserunner, has pretty good power for a player his or any size for that matter and as is often said, is a player who leads by example. I know Terry Francona agrees, there is not a Major League Manager who would not want Dustin Pedroia on his team.
     
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    That team was a mess last year.
     
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    [QUOTE]actually Notin...it was more like.. the only job Pedroia will have at Fenway is selling sausage grinders.... a pretty good line at least but insanely wrong...but as far as this year goes, I am...

    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]I so desperately want to dig up those old 2006 off-seasn posts from georom where he said things like "By July none of you will remember who Dustin Pedroia is" and link them in this thread...
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    That's what short-term thinking and sample size will get you.  There were posters in here begging to trade off most of the farm (including Lester & Pedroia) for Andruw Jones and Smoltz.  That couldn't beleive we wouldn't trade Ellsbury, Buchholz, and others for Santana.

    You have to be thinking 5-10 years ahead.
     
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    Enough about Pedroia. The following ESPN Boston story is worth repeating!!

    Unlikable Red Sox flunked chemistry

    You can wring your hands all you want over whether Jonathan Papelbon served up the wrong pitch to Robert Andino or why Marco Scutaro hesitated just long enough to get gunned down at the plate or why David Ortiz stretched a pivotal single into a costly out or why supposed Gold Glover Carl Crawford couldn't make a shoestring running catch, but it won't change a thing. The Red Sox season wasn't squandered during one compelling night in late September, with all of baseball fixated on one of the most dramatic evenings in the game's long and storied annals.

    Boston blew its chance at being "the best team ever" long before Andino delivered the final knockout blow to a staggering Red Sox team that has been punch-drunk for weeks now.

    There are a number of glaring reasons the local nine holds the dubious distinction of choking up the biggest September lead in baseball history. The pitching wasn't nearly as good as advertised; in fact, at times, it was downright abysmal. When your staff finishes 28th in the majors in "quality starts," you've earned that distinction. Still, it's not that simple to place all the blame on the underachieving hurlers; during one stretch, after all, the Sox committed 23 errors in 21 games.

    Decorated hitters such as Crawford struggled through "slumps" that slowly but surely morphed into "trends." Although the assembled talent was at first glance glittering, when the late-season malaise kicked in and it was time to roll up their Brooks Brothers sleeves and wade into the muck of an everyday slump, far too many of the big-name players turned up their noses and balked.

      
     

    While the Rays were young, hungry and edgy, the Red Sox were arrogant, complacent and, worst of all, entitled.

    They took their baseball gifts for granted, and when those gifts abandoned them, as they almost always do during a long baseball season, they were either too lazy or too cocksure to recognize what was required of them to maintain the consistency that is so vital in baseball.

    So they complained about the absence of the designated hitter in interleague play, bemoaned injuries that robbed them of key players, even suggested their schedule was too grueling because they played too many televised night games (Adrian Gonzalez can lay claim to that gem).

    Back in the good old days, the Red Sox famously dubbed the Yankees "the Evil Empire" because they were arrogant, complacent and, yes, entitled. When New York failed, it merely outspent everyone else to pluck the best players from free agency and rejigger its lineup.

    Somewhere along the way, the Red Sox became what they once abhorred.

    Theo Epstein overspent for John Lackey and Crawford because he could. Sox owner John Henry has deep, deep pockets. (Have you caught a glimpse of his new crib in what they call the "leafy" section of Brookline? Leafy, incidentally, is code for obscenely wealthy.)

    On paper, the Red Sox looked invincible. We thought they had superior pitching, enough firepower to outslug any other team in baseball, and an infield that promised to be stingy with errors and strong up the middle. The Sox had multiple base stealers (Jacoby Ellsbury, Crawford, Dustin Pedroia).

    One of their own pitchers, Josh Beckett, predicted they'd win 100 games.

    Instead they imploded, losing 16 of their final 21 games. They lost five of seven to the lowly Baltimore Orioles, who, until they met up with the generous Sox in the final weeks, were on pace to lose 100 games.

    People say we make too much of the value of good chemistry and camaraderie. They are wrong; it matters. When things get tough, teams with unified players step up. They rely on guys who believe in leadership and accountability -- and each other -- to turn things around.

    Say what you want about "The Idiots" of the 2004 champion Red Sox. They were loose cannons, irreverent, wild and unorthodox. But Kevin Millar and Johnny Damon and Derek Lowe and the boys were tight. They had each other's backs. When they fell behind 3-0 to the Yankees in the American League Championship Series, they vowed it wasn't over, even though nobody believed them. It was of little consequence that no one else thought it possible because the only ones who mattered -- them -- did.

    I'm not saying the way to build a model franchise is to parcel out shots of whiskey in the dugout. But The Idiots weren't afraid to get their shirts dirty, their pants muddy. They weren't afraid to hurt each other's feelings, if that's what it took. They cared -- a lot.

    So did the 2007 World Series team. There are 11 players remaining from that championship club, which at first glance looks like a huge number, but the problem is too many of them no longer play prominent roles in the Sox clubhouse. The captain, Jason Varitek, is a sub. Tim Wakefield has been reduced to "insurance" in the rotation. Beckett was an ordinary pitcher this season. Dice K's career could be over. J.D. Drew is an apparition.

    Ellsbury is a 2007 alum and an MVP candidate, a magnificent player with the brightest future of them all. His teammates like and admire him, but he keeps to himself, confides only in Jed Lowrie.

    Can you blame him? His teammate two or three lockers to his left continued, as recently as two months ago, to publicly question Ellsbury's decision to retreat to Arizona last summer for treatment for broken ribs. Kevin Youkilis has always been a hot button. On occasion, his intensity and his honesty were his biggest assets, but not this season. The injured Youkilis showed up every day the way he wanted Ellsbury to, but he turned so sour and cynical that his carping and insistence on inserting himself into other people's affairs turned him into a detriment.

    Then we have Ortiz, who had a redemptive season on the diamond. He has long been credited for galvanizing the Latino players and justifiably so, but he didn't seem to grasp how damaging it was to publicly question whether Alfredo Aceves should be a starter instead of a reliever, and how it undermined both the manager and the general manager at a critical time of the year.

    Terry Francona acknowledged Thursday that this was not his best season in terms of handling his ballplayers. "At times we didn't put our best foot forward, and that's my responsibility,'' he said.

    "Ultimately you don't need a team that wants to go out to dinner together,'' he said, "but you need to have a team that wants to protect each other on the field and be fiercely loyal to each other off the field."

    Jon Lester, another holdover from 2007, appeared to hold up his end of that bargain, for the most part. Francona and Epstein both lauded Papelbon for the strides he's made in mentoring some of the younger players.

    But there is no better leader on the Red Sox than Pedroia, a whirlwind of energy and effort who delivered big hits, made plays in the field, and kept on fighting and imploring his teammates to do the same.

    In the fascinating NFL Network documentary on Bill Belichick, there's a snapshot of a somber Tom Brady and Belichick standing side by side on the field in the waning moments of a demeaning loss in 2009. The coach looks straight ahead to the field, his quarterback matching his aggravated stare, and declares, "I can't seem to get these guys to play football the way we need to play."

    I can picture Francona and Pedroia side by side on the lush green lawn of Fenway, looking out at the talented yet disjointed group of baseball stars and saying the same thing.

    Belichick and the Patriots, as we know, cut loose a number of high-profile players and started anew. Perhaps the Red Sox will do the same.

    Yet nothing can erase the ignominy of 2011, when the "best team ever" proved to be worse than we could ever imagine.
     
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    The simple fact is, is that this team better play with a chip on their shoulder.  You don't need a captain to do that you need players that give a crap, day after day.  You need pride.  No amount of money ever bought pride.  I believe they have the tools to be a very good team, now all they have to do is play like it.  If the current RS make up needs a captain to get them together IMO we are in for a long year.
     
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    When did he step down?  If you need motivation to play baseball as an occupation you have issues.  Sometimes the best leaders are the ones that lead through action and to me Pedroia does that with every at bat, running the bases and fielding his position.  The team needs heart and luck!

     
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    Unlikable Red Sox flunked chemistry

    These things are almost never as mysterious as writers make them out to be.  Baseball is not a team of chemistry.  It's basically a game of OPS and OPSa.  If you have the best OPS and OPSa, and your  key players play the most innings, you'll likely have the best record.

    The RS had 52 starts by guys not originally in the rotation.
    The NYY had 19, 14 by Hughes.
    TB had 14.
    Det had 19.
    Tex had 5.

    In other words, the 4 playoff teams had about as many starts from their 6/7/8 guys combined as we did.

    You can argue about whether or not we were prepared, and whether or not we reacted properly, but if Buchholz and Dice had 14 more starts each, we'd still have had the unhealthiest rotation, and still have finished with the best record in the league.

    Schilling had it right in 2007 when he said the team with the most starts from the regular rotation will have the best record.  In 2007, we only missed 22 starts, and 14 of the 22 missed starts were picked up by Lester and Buchholz.

    In 2004, we missed an incredible 5 starts.

    In 2005, we basically lost our ace and our closer, but still managed to win 95 because our other four SPs managed to miss maybe 2 starts the entire year.

    We didn't fall apart because he didn't hug each other enough or sang Kumbayah.  We fell apart because we missed too many starts and were ill-equipped to deal with it.
     
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    neither the sox nor the nation need any stinkin' leaders....everyman for himself and don't shoot till you see the white's in their eyes.Over and out.Roger.
     
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    [QUOTE]Unlikable Red Sox flunked chemistry By Jackie MacMullan ESPNBoston.com These things are almost never as mysterious as writers make them out to be.  Baseball is not a team of chemistry.  It's basically a game of OPS and OPSa.  If you have the best OPS and OPSa, and your  key players play the most innings, you'll likely have the best record. The RS had 52 starts by guys not originally in the rotation. The NYY had 19, 14 by Hughes. TB had 14. Det had 19. Tex had 5. In other words, the 4 playoff teams had about as many starts from their 6/7/8 guys combined as we did. You can argue about whether or not we were prepared, and whether or not we reacted properly, but if Buchholz and Dice had 14 more starts each, we'd still have had the unhealthiest rotation, and still have finished with the best record in the league. Schilling had it right in 2007 when he said the team with the most starts from the regular rotation will have the best record.  In 2007, we only missed 22 starts, and 14 of the 22 missed starts were picked up by Lester and Buchholz. In 2004, we missed an incredible 5 starts. In 2005, we basically lost our ace and our closer, but still managed to win 95 because our other four SPs managed to miss maybe 2 starts the entire year. We didn't fall apart because he didn't hug each other enough or sang Kumbayah.  We fell apart because we missed too many starts and were ill-equipped to deal with it.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    What does any of this have to do with 2011? We impolded this year because of the lack of leadership in the dugout and on the field. Does posting this make you feel better about being so wrong last season?

    Dumb and Dishonest.
     
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    I think Dustin Pedroia must step up and wear lederhosen. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pedroia Must Step-Up and Become a Leader : What does any of this have to do with 2011? We impolded this year because of the lack of leadership in the dugout and on the field. Does posting this make you feel better about being so wrong last season? Dumb and Dishonest.
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    We imploded because we had 52 starts from outside our regular rotation.  Had we had the same number of starts by our regulars as any of the other playoff teams, we'd have had the best record in the league.  Having Yaz and Ted in the dugout was not going to make Miller, Weiland, and Wake as good as Buchholz and Dice.

    There are always things we could've done better, but most of this is basic math.  Most of the variances from an expected win total can be easily explained.
     
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    Does posting this make you feel better about being so wrong last season? 

    Predictions are made on probable events occurring.  The difference between the 98 I predicted, and the 90 we won is traced back to 52 starts by non 1-5 SPs.

    It'll be the same thing this year.  If Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Bard, and Aceves give us 150 starts, we're going to do really well.  If our starting 5 missing 50+ starts, we'll be lucky to win 90.

    Just to summarize, if we get lucky with our injuries, we'll do better.  If we get unlucky with our injuries, we'll do worse.  Pretty insightful, right?
     
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    [QUOTE]Unlikable Red Sox flunked chemistry By Jackie MacMullan ESPNBoston.com These things are almost never as mysterious as writers make them out to be.  Baseball is not a team of chemistry.  It's basically a game of OPS and OPSa.  If you have the best OPS and OPSa, and your  key players play the most innings, you'll likely have the best record. The RS had 52 starts by guys not originally in the rotation. The NYY had 19, 14 by Hughes. TB had 14. Det had 19. Tex had 5. In other words, the 4 playoff teams had about as many starts from their 6/7/8 guys combined as we did. You can argue about whether or not we were prepared, and whether or not we reacted properly, but if Buchholz and Dice had 14 more starts each, we'd still have had the unhealthiest rotation, and still have finished with the best record in the league. Schilling had it right in 2007 when he said the team with the most starts from the regular rotation will have the best record.  In 2007, we only missed 22 starts, and 14 of the 22 missed starts were picked up by Lester and Buchholz. In 2004, we missed an incredible 5 starts. In 2005, we basically lost our ace and our closer, but still managed to win 95 because our other four SPs managed to miss maybe 2 starts the entire year. We didn't fall apart because he didn't hug each other enough or sang Kumbayah.  We fell apart because we missed too many starts and were ill-equipped to deal with it.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]
    Baseball is not a team sport in the sense that football and basketball are. But 25 people and a manager in the same uniform constitute a team. They play off one another. Attitudes are infectious. Hitting is infectious. Pitchers compete, or should compete, with one another. The whole can be greater or lesser than its parts depending upon the interaction of its parts.
    These men play and travel together over a 162 game season, day in and day out. How they interact as people affects how they play the game, even if it is not quantifiable. 
    The entire team, with a couple of exceptions, muffed September.

     
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    we lost because we blew a 9 game lead in the last month - we had the same players that we had the previous months...anything else is revisionist history

    the only way your argument would make sense if we trailed the entire year...we didnt...we imploded after breezing thru during the middle months...and it was self-inflicted by selfish players like beckett, wake, lester, and tek who refused to lead and police the frat house that was our clubhouse...

    joey, did you miss the entire month?
     
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    Why must Pedroia do what the thread asks? Why him? Why not Beckett step up, or Lester step up, or Youkilis step up, or Big Papi? How bout AGON, maybe he should step up? Or Carl Crawford, shouldn't he really step up? I mean who shouldn't step up?
     
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    [QUOTE]Does posting this make you feel better about being so wrong last season?   Predictions are made on probable events occurring.  The difference between the 98 I predicted, and the 90 we won is traced back to 52 starts by non 1-5 SPs. It'll be the same thing this year.  If Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Bard, and Aceves give us 150 starts, we're going to do really well.  If our starting 5 missing 50+ starts, we'll be lucky to win 90. Just to summarize, if we get lucky with our injuries, we'll do better.  If we get unlucky with our injuries, we'll do worse.  Pretty insightful, right?
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    ...but that assumes people don't unwittingly consider themselves (hindsight) geniuses.  Of course, if they had any wits we wouldn't be discussing this.

    One of the best examples is the Sox' acquisition of Gagne in 2007.  At the time did 100% of people I know, including me, think it was a masterstroke given his pedigree and recent performance?  Yes.  Did he succeed for the Sox?  No.  Did we win the championship regardless?  Yes.  Did we trade Pedroia-, Bard- and Lester-like prospects for him?  No.

    But he's still used by pinheads as an example of a "bad" Sox trade. 

     

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