Re: REALLY? REALLY? MIKE the CARP gets #38! was #9 or #45 unavailable?
posted at 2/24/2013 8:45 AM EST
In response to Soxdog67's comment:
In response to notin's comment:
21, 24 and 26 should all be retired before 38 even enters the discussion...
I disagree wholeheartenly with this.
None of these numbers should ever be recognized in the Sox hall of fame, although #21 has been sitting in a closest since the Texas con man left for Toronto.
First off, Clemens milked his last contract with the Sox for 2 1/2 of the 4 years...he pitched great the first year and the 2nd half of the final year when he was pitching for his new contract...and lo and behold he became a Cy winner again...and then a Yankee, who even spurned the Sox when given an opportunity to have his sins forgiven in Boston.
Secondly, I respect Dewey Evans for the hardnosed decent ballplayer he made himself after a number of years as a defensive whiz...it took tutelage from Walt Hriniak to make him a good hitter for the last few years of his career...Manny's quitting on the team at the end burn't the bridges he built in Boston and then became a multiple convicted cheater...adios Manny.
Lastly, the Chicken man was a great hitter, but a selfish one at that and other than batting average and consecutive days of chicken he had he is not worthly of HOF...he also ended up a Yankee and made a name for himself there.
Excluding Manny who most don't attribute #24 to for the Sox HOF, how many championships did those guys bring to Boston??
Now let's take a look at #38...he joins the Sox in the winter before the 2004 season and delivers on a promise to end the curse before the season starts. He then helps win a 2nd championship in 2007.
To me it's about the rings boys and girls, and Schilling deserves to be recognized for those acheivements in Boston over anything else.
Give Carp #21 and retain the respect for Schilling for those Red Sox fans who truly understand what he helped accomplish here in those 4 short years!
Well, you are incorrect.
Clemens had a remarkable year in Boston before those last 4 plus seasons, and won 3 Cy Youngsand had 2 other top 5 finishes. He also holds numerous team records as SP. I do not like that he was a Yankee, but that does not change what he did on the Red Sox. (Also, as he was traded to NY, it is arguable that it was not his choice, although he certainly wanted to go.)
Both Evans and Ramirez are reasons to retire 24. Ramirez gave some reasons not to with his 2 PED busts. Evans is not in Cooperstown.
That Boggs number is not retired as a sham. Yankee or not, he was one of the best hitters in Sox history. His only flaw appears to be that he did not retire in Boston. You know, like how Fisk did.
And if it is all about "how many champinships did they bring?" What again is the combined total of World Series titles won by Williams, Yaztrzemski, Doerr, Rice and Cronin again?
Schilling provided some great memories, although some are already forgotten. (Game 2 of the 2007 World Series? C'mon people!!) But if it is all about a post-season heroic or two, do we expect the Sox to retire number 7 for JD Drew? Hey Marty Barrett was nearly a WS MVP. Do we retire 17 for him? Where do we draw that line?