Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

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    Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

    BV should have pulled him earlier on four occasions (of 6 starts) this year, considering he hasn't started in 5 years or so.

    vs TB  7th inning 2 outs and then BB,  single,  BB, BB then pulled

    vs Oak  6th inning: single, out, double, double, HBP, double then pulled

    vs Tor 6th inning: BB, single then pulled  

    vs KC 8th inning:  BB,  BB pulled



    The good news:

    ~ 20th in AL for SLG% against

    ~ 30th in AL for OPS against

    The bad news:

    5.5 K/9

    4.89 BB/9

    He needs to get more Ks, and the walks have been bad but 6 of his 20 BB have come when he should have been sitting.  Let him get some experience starting before pushing his pitch count.


     
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    Re: Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

    Yes, I'm not going to condemn Valentine for all those decisions, but it does show you what an impact the manager can have on the pitcher's ERA.

     
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    Re: Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

    Needs to cut back on the walks. Also 2 balks in one inn let alone one gm is unacceptable that can never happen. That lack of focus cost the team a win.  

     
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    Re: Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

    If the opportunity presented itself would you trade Bard for Masterson?
     
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    No, I would take Bard everyday of the week..
     
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    How about Buch for Masterson?
     
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    I am still skeptical on Bard in the rotation. He lacks the command & gives up way too many walks. He opened the door a couple of times yesterday for the Indians to get right back in the game by allowing walks. I would rather have him in the pen but with that being said will continue to support him.
     
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    I think Justin loves Boston and is a starting pitcher. We need someone that has proven he can start. Bard is a tweener and at this point will not be very happy if he is sent back to the pen when Dice comes back.

    Perhaps BenC can work something out--if not Bard and Buch who?


     
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    I would trade Buchholz for Masterson in one minute. But I don't think Cleveland would go for it. 
     
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    Really after seeing the difference in ability you would trade bard for masterson. When it comes down to stuff masterson is not even on the same planet as bard.
     
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    Re: Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

    Reasons to be optimistic? Well, he's had some good outings and has a ton of talent. As one of the best young talents on the staff, his best value is as a starter.

    First and foremost, he's not Tim Wastefield.
     
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    Re: Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

    It's all about game logs right?

    Pitcher A          Pitcher B          Pitcher C
     IP H ER BB     IP  H ER BB      IP   H ER  BB
    4.0 8  7  2       6.2  4  1  0        4.2  7  7  1
    7.0 6  5  3       7.0  5  2  2        8.0  5  1  1
    6.0 9  5  2       6.0  7  4  1        7.0  7  3  1
    5.1 10 5 3       5.1  5  5  3        6.0  5  2  3
    6.2  7  6  5      7.0  4  2  1        6.2  6  3  3
    3.2  7  5  4      8.0  3  3  1         (Injury)
    6.1  8  3  3      6.0  7  5  4        2.1  7  7  2
    39 55  36 22  46  35  22  12   35  37  23  11

     
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    Re: Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

    In Response to Re: Reasons to be optimistic about Bard:
    [QUOTE]Yes, I'm not going to condemn Valentine for all those decisions, but it does show you what an impact the manager can have on the pitcher's ERA.
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]

    End of the day, for Bard and Dobrount it's about learning to pitch through a major league lineup 3 or 4 times in a single game. That's is what separates starting pitchers from bullpen guys..Sometimes in the interest of developing them, in games where there pitch counts allow. Leaving them in to face a hitter for the 3rd or 4th time has value. Bottom line as the season progresses and thier innings counts rise. If they don't show that they can command the ball and get guys out after exceeding the 80-90 pitch plateau through 6 full. They'll find themselves back in the pen.

    Sometimes you have to fail to succeed...

    Each time they're in position to take the ball in the 7th or 8th innings (based on pitch counts and the score of the game). What BV and McClure are looking for is how well they're commanding the ball in the zone and do they still have good life on thier fastballs.

    Do you think that Lester pitches a complete game last night, if every time he got in trouble in the 5th or 6th his manager took the ball away from him? Clearly the answer is no, how many times during his "rookie season" did he struggle to get though 5 or 6 full. The answer is more often than not, however Francona and Farrel stuck with him and last night is the fruit of that labor.

    So as hard as it might be, for the win now guys to accept. If indeed the Sox are committed to each of thier developments? Part of the maturation process is putting them in situations and challenging them to step up. In the end that's the only way to answer the question of whether or not each of them have what it takes to be a ML starting pitcher, for a team that sees themselves as contenders...It's easy to develope young pitchers in towns where they're "perpetually rebuilding"...it's a lot tougher in towns like Boston.





     
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    Re: Reasons to be optimistic about Bard

    Bean that was a really good post. Thanks.
     

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