Red Sox: Keep him or trade him?

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    With 2 WC spots I don't think we should ever be sellers.  
     
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    If we are treating this like a bridge year, then:

    We are wasting one of Lester's prime years
    We are wasting one of Pedey's prime years
    one of the few good seasons Beckett has left
    Papi's uncanny resurgence
    One of AGON's prime years
    One of the few years remaining where we control Ells

    And what are we bridging to , exactly?  It's not like we have a ton of talent in the minors.

    It's NOT a bridge year.
     
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    I thought this 'article' was over the top.  I don't even know why the author would even encourage people to believe that we could trade the likes of Crawford and Youk. 

    It's one thing to consider strategically moving players, but to just throw everyone up against the wall seemed a little disingenous. Who really wants to trade Pedroia?  seriously.
     
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    [QUOTE]If we are treating this like a bridge year, then: We are wasting one of Lester's prime years We are wasting one of Pedey's prime years one of the few good seasons Beckett has left Papi's uncanny resurgence One of AGON's prime years One of the few years remaining where we control Ells And what are we bridging to , exactly?  It's not like we have a ton of talent in the minors. It's NOT a bridge year.
    Posted by Drewski5[/QUOTE]
    All true.
    The FO did not expect to lose Crawford, Ellsbury, and Bailey for long periods. It had hopes for Melancon. It made moves for a decent platoon in RF. It fielded a team with a chance to win.
    If that team gets fully healthy and Buchholz comes around, it still has a chance to win. How much and how far remains a question. 

     
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    [QUOTE]Boston Globe: If the Red Sox are truly in a bridge year, as Tony Massarotti recently suggested , the team could find itself in the unusual position of selling rather than buying at this year's baseball trade deadline. Is it time to put some players on the trading block? Which players should the Red Sox keep? Which ones would you be OK with dealing away? 
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE]

     Who Stays...   
     
     Shop-Lava up to the Bigs..
     Gonzo-he will come around..
     Peedy- he retier's a RedSox...
     Aviles-Iggy in waiting...
     Middlesbrook-the next Brooks Robinson, Youk?....
     Crawford-needs chance to prove himself..
     Ells-2nd in the MVP, he should have won that...
     Sweeney & Ross in RF.. Kalish?...
     Ortiz.....DH...

    Lester....

     Bard...        
     
     Doubront..
     Aceves..
     Beckett.? 
     Buch..AAA...
     Cook...
     Dice K. pending....
     Padilla..
     Moralas..
     Atchison.?
     Albers.??
     Hill.??
     
     Goner's 
     Punto.....
     Salty.....
     McDonald......
     Malancon..?
     Byrd.????..
     Lackey...
     
     
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    I thought this 'article' was over the top.  I don't even know why the author would even encourage people to believe that we could trade the likes of Crawford and Youk. 

    SF might take both for Zito and Huff.
     
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    how about trading the scouts ?

     
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    july 31st  say good-by to youk-beckett-dice k-crawful, going to be tough for him
     
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    [QUOTE]With 2 WC spots I don't think we should ever be sellers.  
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE] With all the teams that are ahead of the sox fighting for a WC spot the chances of passing all of them are nil.At least 2 of these teams will have a good run till the season ends at about 90 plus wins and the sox ain't anywhere close to good enough to pass them by.
     
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    If/when you trade someone, you want to try and get someone decent in return.  Some of these guys mentioned isn't going to bring you back very much either because of their salaries or they just aren't that good.

    That being said, I would shop Iglesias.  Aviles is still only 30 years old and doesn't have a whole lot of playing time to where is body may start to wear down.  He is decent enough with the glove, and has a good bat for a weak hitting SS position.  Plus, his attitude and hustle is supurb.

    It doesn't look like Iglesias is EVER going hit (he still is not even close).  But, with his glove and young age, we can get someone valuable in return.  It wouldn't be a great loss since we already have a pretty decent SS in Aviles.
     
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    Wow, thanks to the whining of the media people here don't even know what a "bridge year" is!

    When Epstein said we were in a bridge year, it did NOT mean that the team was not aiming to win a championship. It meant that the Sox would not be quite as well-rounded as some past teams, due to some degree of financial limitations and a lack of in-demand-for-trades prospects who could be used to immediately fill holes. That's it...a tweener year when some increasing contracts had gotten a little too big and a few straight years of drafting younger players left our minor leaguers a bit too unpolished.

    This is NOT a bridge year. 2012 is a huge year for the minor league system, as the "unpolished" minor leaguers of the past couple of years will now show what they really are. Some prospects (Middlebrooks already, Matt Barnes too) will emerge as top-level prospects, and others will be left with lower ceilings when all is said and done. There WILL be chips to be either called up or dealt away.

    Meanwhile, unlike for the infamous "bridge year", Cherington did exactly what was reasonable to fill in the holes on the major league squad. He found the perfect duo for RF, he grabbed two good RPs for a remarkably cheap price, and he gathered a number of options for the rotation.

    It's not Cherington's fault that:
    -Crawford had an unexpected setback (he was only expected to miss a couple of weaks of the season initially)
    -Ellsbury got hurt (one of the AL's top 5 or 10 players suddenly gone)
    -Buchholz has been a disaster
    -Melancon had mechanical issues in spring training (he's been great in AAA and should be back in Boston before long, pitching well)
    -Bailey got hurt before the action started AND while Melancon had simultaneous issues (Cherington rightly figured Melancon would hold the fort if and when Bailey got hurt)

    Meanwhile:
    -So far, he looks right regarding the Bard experiment
    -The #5 spot in the rotation should be held down nicely by some combo of Doubrant/Cook/others until midseason, which was always the plan
    -He was right to hold on to Ortiz
    -His RF combo has been everything and more that could be hoped for
    -Aviles has been perfectly decent at SS, and far better than Scutaro
    -The lineup second in all of baseball in runs scored, only 5 behind the "magnificent" Ranger lineup, in spite of no Ellsbury, Pedroia's early scuffles, AGon mediocrity, Youkilis mediocrity, and a platoon that has had to play two positions every day

    By midseason, here's a reasonable outlook of where the team could be:
    -The rotation stabilizes as very solid in baseball's best offensive division. Lester will warm up as always and be an ace, Beckett should be fine if not great, Buchholz will have righted himself and also be solid, Bard will continue to be very good with the occasional growing pain, and the Sox will adjust to have a very solid #5 spot no matter what crops up
    -The bullpen will benefit from its early trials once everyone returns. Bailey comes back and closes as planned for, Melancon takes the setup job, and then everyone else who has had to pitch high-leverege innings now gets to give quality innings in lesser spots. Aceves/Morales/Hill would make for a tremendous 3-5 options in the bullpen
    -Ortiz will cool down, Ross and Sweeney won't be quite so productive, but that will be easily offset by the return of Ellsbury, a rebound by AGon, and the fact that either Youkilis will be back healthy or Middlebrooks will be here to stay. If the Sox can nearly lead baseball in runs score despite their lineups holes so far, it's almost certain that they will be an elite scoring force throughout the season

    Guess what...that's a playoff team! A top lineup and solid pitching will take you very far in the regular season...and while we can't rely on Beckett/Buchholz/Bard to be anything like an ace throught the regular season, unlike many rotations made up of only "solid" starters, they have the talent to get hot by the time the postseason comes around and dominate in October!

    There are no guarantees that it will work this way...there could be more injuries to come, or the pitching might never come around...but it wouldn't take even close to a "best case scenario" for the Sox to be a championship caliber looking club by August...so let's have some patience and see how it goes.

    Boston has also been historically a great team at home, and has been terrible there so far this season...it that rights itself too...well...do the math.
     
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    I don't believe it is a bridge year either.  Either way, what I said about Iglesias I still think makes sense.   Bridge year or not, you want to make yourself better in trades particulalry by the deadline.  This trade would bring in a pretty decent player.
     
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    [QUOTE]If we are treating this like a bridge year, then: We are wasting one of Lester's prime years We are wasting one of Pedey's prime years one of the few good seasons Beckett has left Papi's uncanny resurgence One of AGON's prime years One of the few years remaining where we control Ells And what are we bridging to , exactly?  It's not like we have a ton of talent in the minors. It's NOT a bridge year.
    Posted by Drewski5[/QUOTE]

    drew - i like your comments lately - insightful, concise, no bs....excellent point about "the bridge year" theory...
     
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    Who makes these questions up? Jenny Dell?? Trade Pedroia? Gotta be the most ridiculous question ever asked. What a joke of a survey.
     
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    Keep him.  No, I mean trade him.  Wait, what was his line last night?

    I think I am getting the hang of this now.Yell
     
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    [QUOTE]If/when you trade someone, you want to try and get someone decent in return.  Some of these guys mentioned isn't going to bring you back very much either because of their salaries or they just aren't that good. That being said, I would shop Iglesias.  Aviles is still only 30 years old and doesn't have a whole lot of playing time to where is body may start to wear down.  He is decent enough with the glove, and has a good bat for a weak hitting SS position.  Plus, his attitude and hustle is supurb. It doesn't look like Iglesias is EVER going hit (he still is not even close).  But, with his glove and young age, we can get someone valuable in return.  It wouldn't be a great loss since we already have a pretty decent SS in Aviles.
    Posted by sjddaj[/QUOTE]

    That hasn't deterred Ben thus far. He's 0 for 3!
     
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    Ellsbury needs to be traded. DiceK won't bring more than a debt payment.
     
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    There are around 135 more games to play.  The season is still young. 
     
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    Try to trade: Beckett, Buch, Lackey, Youk, and Crawford. Even Agon would be worth feeling out. Not due to his recent slump, because he does not quite fit the team well I don't think. Of course I know Lackey and Crawford are injured, but teams may still want what they have to offer once healthy.
     
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    We should sell... making the play-offs only to lose in the first round is not a winning season.  Better to hit the re-set button while we can and make the changes that will not only help us in 2013 but for the next 5 or 6 years.

    Elles - only if the FO knows it is not going to re-sign him. 

    Youk - for any sold middle reliever or perhaps even another closer

    Ortiz - only if he starts yapping about 2 year extensions

    Beckett - the better he does all the more reason to move him and get something good back

    Clay - only if it makes sense, he is still young

    Salty - make a move for McCann or Montero and get Lavarnway up here this summer

    Melencom - the better he does the better to trade him, he will fail under the heat (Schrialdi anyone?)

    Lars - put him in a deal with Youk or Beckett to help sweeten the pot.

    Who have I missed?



     
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    Re: Red Sox: Keep him or trade him?

    Like it or not the month of May will tell the story and so far it's not been a great one...

    End of the day the prognosis of and the timeline for the returns of Ells, Crawford and to some degree Bailey will determine which side of the contender/pretender fence we're on come June 1st. If we find ourselves in too deep of a whole moves will be made to begin building the roster for 2013...The most obvious candidate for a trade would be Papi due to his current production and that he's a pending free agent.

    Youk, Matsusaka & Ellsbury each have to get back on the field and show they're healthy before any team will entertain aquiring them but they all could be wearing a different uniform by years end...IF

    Lester, Beckett and Buccholz continue to give us spotty results...this years team will go a far as that trio will take us...
     

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