Red Sox Should Buget One Year Market Rate To Acquire Beltran (No on 2 guaranteed market rate years)

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    Why all the hate for Carp? All he did was bat .290+, 20XBH, 40+RBI, 9Hrs, scored 30+ runs, in just 80+ games, all while getting paid league minimum. ? Oh, and learned a new position out of ST...? 

    What? You just don't like the guy i take it? 

    What new position did Mike Carp learn out of Spring Training?

    Carp came up through the minors as a firstbaseman but was Seattle's Opening Day leftfielder in 2012, when Carp played 24 games in leftfield and 23 games at firstbase. For his MLB career, Carp has 111 games at firstbase and 96 games in the outfield.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carpmi01.shtml

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    Beltran, AGon, to name a few, for the emotionally hyper responders to an old poster named "softy". 

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    Softy was way before your time, guitars.  You wouldn't believe what a headcase that guy was.

     

     
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    Has one of Softy's proposed acquisitions for the Sox, at his proposed price, ever happened?

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    Never.  He has this idea that, because he feels players are overpaid in general, that they will take below-market wages, and sometimes way below market wages.

     
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    If the market is 2 years, no, but a one year market rate with a 2nd year option/player opt out is obvious for the 2014 Red Sox. I expect that should close the deal and cost little more than what Napoli cost in 2013. Beltran has the two year work record to show he's worth a one year contract risk in hopes of getting another 140 plus games season. 

    LF would be a perfect place to put him, at home, with a move to RF in ballparks with vast LF and shorter porch RF like Yankee stadium. 

    With Shane and Bradley, Ellsbury is surely and thankfully gone for 2014, and the 100M plus that some foolishly advocate spending to retain him, should be laughed at in favor of promoting Bradley to CF and improving the slugging in the OF with a one year commitment to Beltran that could end up being a good value and fit for one or a team option 2nd year. 

    Napoli should not be resigned, and if Kendrys Morales cost more than 3 or 4 years and 40 to 50M, Nava should platoon at 1st base and be OF depth with a cheap one year lower single digits deal on Konerko. 

    Carp should be traded on what amounts to a one-time lottery windfall highest he'll ever have in trade value.

    LF Beltran/Gomes/Nava

    CF Bradley/Shane/Nava

    RF Shane/Beltran/Nava

    CF Bradley

    1B Nava/Konerko

    2B Pedroia

    SS Bogaerts

    3B Middlebrooks (His HR rate matters folks, in what has been an injury year)

    C Ross & AJ (AJ and one year makes more sense than 3 years of Salty costs, with Swihart, Lavarnway and Vazquex insuring no need to do absurdly stupid things like guarantee 70 million plus to McCann and 30 million plus to hands of stone and arm of paper Salty) 

    Payroll budget increased by 20 million plus, net 1 to 2 draft picks.

    Beltran will be a draft pick charge, but that's offset by the draft picks picked up for Ellsbury and Napoli and let's hope and pray on S. Drew. 

    Red Sox should try and get a team to take the debt of Peavy off the 2014 books, which would increase the budget more to provide necessary flexibility over this winter and next summer. 

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    Why all the hate for Carp? All he did was bat .290+, 20XBH, 40+RBI, 9Hrs, scored 30+ runs, in just 80+ games, all while getting paid league minimum. ? Oh, and learned a new position out of ST...? 

    What? You just don't like the guy i take it? 

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    He hates Carp because he did not propose acquiring Carp.

     

    He was anti-Victorino for a long time for the same reason.

     
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    If the market is 2 years, no, but a one year market rate with a 2nd year option/player opt out is obvious for the 2014 Red Sox. I expect that should close the deal and cost little more than what Napoli cost in 2013. Beltran has the two year work record to show he's worth a one year contract risk in hopes of getting another 140 plus games season. 

    Use at least one ounce of common sense.  He declined the Cards offer of $14.1M/1.  Do you seriously think he'll sign somewhere else for $14.1M/1?  That makes -0- common sense.  If you asked someone with no BB knowledge at all, it would make no sense.

    LF would be a perfect place to put him, at home, with a move to RF in ballparks with vast LF and shorter porch RF like Yankee stadium.

    So, you want to spend $14M to upgrade from the .790 we had in LF to an .830 hitter that can't field?

    Napoli should not be resigned, and if Kendrys Morales cost more than 3 or 4 years and 40 to 50M, Nava should platoon at 1st base and be OF depth with a cheap one year lower single digits deal on Konerko. 

    Napoli is twice the player that Morales is.  And you want to spend $50M on a DH with a .786 OPS over the past two years, and who has averaged 27 games at 1st over the past 4 years?

    Carp should be traded on what amounts to a one-time lottery windfall highest he'll ever have in trade value.

    It makes sense only if you think someone will overpay.  And since backup 1Bs almost never net anything useful in a trade, then the point is moot.  And in any case, you always get the best return by finding the team that needs a backup 1B/OF the most.  And since he fits our profile perfectly, we are the team that needs him the most.

     
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    Looks like we have the same web site administrators / designers as Obamacare??? 

     
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    Looks like we have the same web site administrators / designers as Obamacare??? 

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    Lol. Yeah well, lack of funding does produce consequences.. But back to BDC.

    Oh see what I did there? Cool 

     
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    Why all the hate for Carp? All he did was bat .290+, 20XBH, 40+RBI, 9Hrs, scored 30+ runs, in just 80+ games, all while getting paid league minimum. ? Oh, and learned a new position out of ST...? 

    What? You just don't like the guy i take it? 

    What new position did Mike Carp learn out of Spring Training?

    Carp came up through the minors as a firstbaseman but was Seattle's Opening Day leftfielder in 2012, when Carp played 24 games in leftfield and 23 games at firstbase. For his MLB career, Carp has 111 games at firstbase and 96 games in the outfield.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carpmi01.shtml

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    It's kind of interesting, since both come from Seattle, and since Softy loves one guy and hates the other.  Over the period 2011-2013-

    • Player A  .267/.334/.454/.788
    • Player B  .275/.329/.457/.786

    So offensively, both players are identical.

    However, as it pertains to fit, player A can backup both LF and 1B.  Player B, at his level of PAs over the past two years, is considered the 3rd slowest runner in BB.

    And player A, even though a better all-around player than player B, will make ~ $7M over the next three years, while Softlaw wants to play Player B $39M/3.

     
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    Hahahahaha

    Guys like Joe and notin are humiliating the Softfool once again.

    How many things can one person be WRONG on?

    How many players can a 'fan' despise in one season?

    How many real Sox fans come on here after a World Series season and state that if an oppossing manager walked in a run up 4 with his closer on the mound the Sox wouldn't have won, and act so dissapointed about it.

    Yeah Miggy was hurt... how many other teams had a star hurt when trying to win a title?

     

     

     
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    softy the clown blames incpmpetent team management for our ring, yet feels incompetent management and the owners that hired them should earn an even bigger share of the money pie than "fat union slugs" players.

     

    The "clown" label fits nicely, doesn't it?

     
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    Beltran, AGon, to name a few, for the emotionally hyper responders to an old poster named "softy". 

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    Softy was way before your time, guitars.  You wouldn't believe what a headcase that guy was.

     

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    A few of us remember Softy. He was a lunatic who was banned over and over again but was too psychotic to stop posting. He was the board joke.  

    You seem cool though.

     
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    Slavemicist the stooge thinks that labor should get "even a bigger share" of the money pie for embarrassing work history for a half a decade because they showed up for work for on year in 6 years. 

    I think about 1 billion is too much for what labor did. 

    The "stooge" label fits nicely. 

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    One would think Stiffy had already suffered enough embarrassment throughout the entirety of the 2013 Red Sox World Series Championship season????

     

    & to think....  I've always thought Stiffy's main problem was his narcissism?  Wrong!

     

    it's clearly his masochism!  Can you say glutton for punishment?  ;)

     
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    Stiffler,

    pPlease save the cyber ink!  I feel badly that you type these lengthy posts.  For your own good, let me disabuse you of the notion that anybody reads them.  We simply check out the topic, and accordingly mock and abuse you.

     

    it's not even fun anymore, as it's way too easy.  Like taking candy from a baby.

     
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    I don't like the idea of giving up potentially the 20th pick in the draft for 1 year of Beltran. Pass.

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    Beltran is said to be looking for a 3 or 4 year deal & with the amount of money that is available out there, he may very well get it.  

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    Also not high on giving a first round pick up on an old guy for 3-4 years. He only produced 2 WAR this year. He is on the down swing as a player. Three to four years is crazy.

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    3 or 4 years is insane to me..he would be 42 of 43 years old? i would rather resign ortiz to be our DH....beltran in the OF at that age is silly...

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    Since nobody in their right mind is likely to read Stiffy's continued drivel, I will repost a couple of salient points.....

     

    :)

     
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    Where's Hill with his "Padres can afford to keep AGon and need him to sell tickets" take on this player's market merits.

    Laughing

    Instead of misstating what I wrote three years ago, perhaps you should just start a new thread ridiculing me, as you did less than a year ago when I suggested that Will Middlebrooks might need more time down at Pawtucket:

    http://www.boston.com/community/forums/sports/red-sox/on-the-front-burner/hills-crystal-ball-middlebrooks-to-need-more-time-in-aaa-in-2013/100/6461256

     
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    Joe, I've noted that you like Carp over Morales. Has Carp ever been a MLB starter, Joe?

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    No, but that only goes to show you how bad Morales is.  Morales stats are identical to Carp over the past 3 years, and cannot run or field as well as Carp.

    So, if he isn't nearly as good as Carp, and Carp is not a starter, then why the $50M retirement package for him?

    So you go cheap with a platoon at 1st, and you will get superior production from Carp and almost any righty.  Or you pay Napoli if you feel like spending $14M, which I wouldn't, unless it is only two years.

    But you cannot find a worse fit for us than a ridiculous $50M/4 that you suggested for Morales.  At least try to find someone that actually plays 1st before opening the back vault for him.

     

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