Re: Ron Santo makes HOF
posted at 12/7/2011 5:09 AM EST
In Response to Re: Ron Santo makes HOF
[QUOTE]I wondered if Santo was overlooked because of his contemporaries. The truth might be that he was hurt more by the fact that he was not the dominant 3B of the NL in the 1960’s. Santo had good credentials. He hit .277 / .362 /.464 over his career and won 5 Gold Gloves. But did he really outshine Ken Boyer, whose career almost perfectly intersected Santo’s? Boyer hit .282 / .349 / .462 and also won 5 Gold Gloves, and had an MVP on his resume. Boyer is not in the Hall of Fame. Both of these guys were overshadowed by the dominant 3B name of the NL. Even though he was winding down his career, Hall of Famer Eddie Matthews was still getting MVP votes as late as 1965. When you are being weighed against Matthews, and not outshining your contemporaries, it is easy to get overlooked. And that appeared to happen to both Santo and Boyer. And it also appeared to happen to Matthew’s eventual successor at 3B in Atlanta, Joe Torre, who wound up hitting .297 / .365 / .452 and won a Gold Glove (at catcher) and an MVP award himself. Torre spent the early part of the decade catching and playing 1B on a team loaded with HOF talent and got lost in the shuffle when it came time for Cooperstown. But really, what did any of these three (Santo, Boyer, Torre) do to separate themselves from the others? They were all basically the same player, and all got the same treatment. The real problem was that the bar was too high to recognize how good they all really were
Posted by notin[/QUOTE]
Interesting point. The experts complained about Santo not getting in the HOF, but never Ken Boyer, MVP and all (However, I always thought his brother Clete was better defensively, not that Ken was any slouch; the '64 series was a clinic/show of brother robbing brother from hits down the 3B line). The Torre comparison, IMO, doesn't work with regard to the 3B context because he was primarily a C, who was moved from behind the dish, like others, later in his career because his body couldn't take the pounding anymore (Like Berra, Bench, Simmons, Freehan, others I can't recall, and soon probably Mauer. Others who should have been moved due to wear and tear but weren't include Munson, Carter, Boone, Varitek, & R. Hundley. I-Rod & Fisk were animals) . Also, let's keep in mind that in this era, offensive #s were down.