Salty signs with Miami Marlins

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    Salty signs with Miami Marlins

    3 years and 21M. i would have done that allll day with Salty

     

    really disappointed in our choices for filling the catcher position. 3/21 is a steal for Salty and EASILY movable in a year or two if Vasquez or another option presents itself. Instead we go with AJP who is not a fit at all. he only drew 11 walks ALL YEAR!!! one of the lowest P/PA in the majors last season!! I am just shaking my head. so dumb!!

     

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/marlins-to-sign-jarrod-saltalamacchia-1.html

     
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    Re: Salty signs with Miami Marlins

    In response to mef429's comment:

     

    3 years and 21M. i would have done that allll day with Salty

     

    really disappointed in our choices for filling the catcher position. 3/21 is a steal for Salty and EASILY movable in a year or two if Vasquez or another option presents itself. Instead we go with AJP who is not a fit at all. he only drew 11 walks ALL YEAR!!! one of the lowest P/PA in the majors last season!! I am just shaking my head. so dumb!!

     

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/marlins-to-sign-jarrod-saltalamacchia-1.html

     



    If that's all it took to sign Salty, the fact that the Sox didn't sign him means that either they didn't want him or he didn't want them. There's no way 3/24 would have been a problem to this team.

     

    It clearly shows the value of catching a pitching staff as the priority of the Red Sox when it comes to the position as opposed to a pure offensive catcher and I think I like that.  Our team was almost across the board drastically better than last year with pitching.

    How much of that is Farrell, Nieves, Ross, Lava, Salty... it is difficult for us fans to say.  What can be said is that Farrell and Nieves know better than anyone the strengths and weaknesses of Salty and they did not want him back.  I am sure it is for a great variety of reasons, but the main one being that he simply did not improve a pitching staff.  He was .71 ERA points higher than Ross when catching the same pitchers.

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

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    Wow.

    AJ P  $8.25M/1

    Salty $21M/3

     

    That's just $12.75M for the extra 2 years or about $6.4M per year.

    It's pretty clear to me, Ben did not want Salty back.

     

    How hard would it have been to trade Salty at just $7M a year?

     
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    I trust Ben at this point

     
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    Salty was a good player for the Sox.  I am sorry to see him go.

    I'm guessing that the Sox are true believers in the farm delivering a catcher in 2015

     
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    Wow.

    AJ P  $8.25M/1

    Salty $21M/3

     

    That's just $12.75M for the extra 2 years or about $6.4M per year.

    It's pretty clear to me, Ben did not want Salty back.

     

    How hard would it have been to trade Salty at just $7M a year?

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    exactly! between this and Benedict Arnold 2.0 this day has been a complete clusterf**k for me.

     
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    Hmm.  If you told me at the beginning of November that Salty would only get 3/21 I would have called you crazy.  I'm shocked Ben opted not to bring him back at that price but I think it speaks volumes of what he thinks of the farm.  AJ is the one year stop gap to either Vazquez or Swihart.  I'm still surprised it took 8.25M to lock up AJ for a year, though.

     
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    I trust Ben at this point

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    To me Ben is on shakey ground... his only move is AJ? So no Salty no Els and it could very well be no Drew or Napoli ... if he thinks for one minute that JBJ and Middlebrooks are adequate replacement then he is delusional....at this point who is an impact player left to choose from? Beltran and Choo probably but if they the dont sign either one of these guys then I think they take a big step backwards...

     
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    ...and what if they go all in for Cano?  What if John Henry get's his dander up and says I  want Cano--he's a better all around player than Ells and makes him a 8 year $250 M offer...the Yankees will have to at least match it and some other team would have to exceed it.

    He and Ortiz are friends--he could play 3 B or perhaps 1 B---wherever he plays he would be a great acquisition.

     
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    Re: Salty signs with Miami Marlins

    Choo is likely a Tiger.

    That leaves Beltran or Napoli as the only capable Papi protection on the FA market.

    We could get both, if we dealt Dempster or Peavy.

     

    1) Victorino CF

    2) Pedroia  2B

    3) Beltran  LF/RF 

    4) Ortiz   DH 

    5) Napoli 1B 

    6) Nava RF/Gomes LF 

    7) Bogey  SS

    8) Middlebrooks 3B

    9) Pierzynski/Ross C

    Bench: Carp/Holt, Castellanos, or McCoy

    AAA:

    C: Vazquez

    DH/C: Lava

    1B: Snyder

    2B: Holt

    3B: Cecchini

    SS: _______

    LF: Hassan

    CF: JBJ

    RF: Brentz

     
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    Choo is likely a Tiger.

    That leaves Beltran or Napoli as the only capable Papi protection on the FA market.

    We could get both, if we dealt Dempster or Peavy.

     

    1) Victorino CF

    2) Pedroia  2B

    3) Beltran  LF/RF 

    4) Ortiz   DH 

    5) Napoli 1B 

    6) Nava RF/Gomes LF 

    7) Bogey  SS

    8) Middlebrooks 3B

    9) Pierzynski/Ross C

    Bench: Carp/Holt, Castellanos, or McCoy

    AAA:

    C: Vazquez

    DH/C: Lava

    1B: Snyder

    2B: Holt

    3B: Cecchini

    SS: _______

    LF: Hassan

    CF: JBJ

    RF: Brentz

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    Even if they get both I dont see this as improvement over last year....

     
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  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

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    Choo is likely a Tiger.

    That leaves Beltran or Napoli as the only capable Papi protection on the FA market.

    We could get both, if we dealt Dempster or Peavy.

     

    1) Victorino CF

    2) Pedroia  2B

    3) Beltran  LF/RF 

    4) Ortiz   DH 

    5) Napoli 1B 

    6) Nava RF/Gomes LF 

    7) Bogey  SS

    8) Middlebrooks 3B

    9) Pierzynski/Ross C

    Bench: Carp/Holt, Castellanos, or McCoy

    AAA:

    C: Vazquez

    DH/C: Lava

    1B: Snyder

    2B: Holt

    3B: Cecchini

    SS: _______

    LF: Hassan

    CF: JBJ

    RF: Brentz

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    Even if they get both I dont see this as improvement over last year....

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    I never said it was, but it's a big step from where we are now, and pretty close to last year.

    If Bogey grows quickly and Middy returns to 2012 form, we could be better.

     
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    Konerko and Hart are far better value options than Napoli or Beltran beyond 1 year. Choo is now absurdly overpriced. Both Napoli and Beltran are old and/or infirm and not good enough to warrant mult-year deals. Both cost picks.  

    Red Sox need to close the deal on R. Davis and take the best one year deal the market provides from Konerko or Hart. 

    Middlebrooks already has proven AB:HR talent. 

    So far, Henry is following through on the correct change of approach to FA. 

     

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    Maybe we could still trade for J Guthrie.

     
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  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

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    Maybe we could still get Santana for Lester, and maybe we could still offer Salty that 4 year contract you said to go over and get it over with. 

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    I wouldn't offer 4 if he'd have taken 3.

    It was Buch for Santana.

    Get your lies straight.

     
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    Re: Salty signs with Miami Marlins

    sorry to see salty go, this one will come back to haunt the sox.

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

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    sorry to see salty go, this one will come back to haunt the sox.

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    I'm sad to see him go too, but I think haunting is too strong a word.

    Let's hope this Vazquez kid makes us forget about Salty, AJ and Ross.

     
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  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Re: Salty signs with Miami Marlins

    Context clown, context. Something you can never grasp.

    My suggestion to trade Salty "months ago" was based on the fact that if Salty was not in our longterm plans, as clearly he was not, we should have traded him for something useful. Instead, we got nothing for him.

    I do recall the clown offering Salty more money than AJ got right after calling Salty a "back-up profile catcher".

    Look what these joker catchers are signing for these days. Trading Salty after a year or two would have been a breeze.

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from SoxFanInIL. Show SoxFanInIL's posts

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to VeniceSox's comment:
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    Choo is likely a Tiger.

    That leaves Beltran or Napoli as the only capable Papi protection on the FA market.

    We could get both, if we dealt Dempster or Peavy.

     

    1) Victorino CF

    2) Pedroia  2B

    3) Beltran  LF/RF 

    4) Ortiz   DH 

    5) Napoli 1B 

    6) Nava RF/Gomes LF 

    7) Bogey  SS

    8) Middlebrooks 3B

    9) Pierzynski/Ross C

    Bench: Carp/Holt, Castellanos, or McCoy

    AAA:

    C: Vazquez

    DH/C: Lava

    1B: Snyder

    2B: Holt

    3B: Cecchini

    SS: _______

    LF: Hassan

    CF: JBJ

    RF: Brentz

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    Even if they get both I dont see this as improvement over last year....

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    I never said it was, but it's a big step from where we are now, and pretty close to last year.

     

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    Last year didnt have this version of the Yankees. They will leave the Sox in their rearview mirror by June.

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from notin. Show notin's posts

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    Choo is likely a Tiger.

    That leaves Beltran or Napoli as the only capable Papi protection on the FA market.

    We could get both, if we dealt Dempster or Peavy.

     

    1) Victorino CF

    2) Pedroia  2B

    3) Beltran  LF/RF 

    4) Ortiz   DH 

    5) Napoli 1B 

    6) Nava RF/Gomes LF 

    7) Bogey  SS

    8) Middlebrooks 3B

    9) Pierzynski/Ross C

    Bench: Carp/Holt, Castellanos, or McCoy

    AAA:

    C: Vazquez

    DH/C: Lava

    1B: Snyder

    2B: Holt

    3B: Cecchini

    SS: _______

    LF: Hassan

    CF: JBJ

    RF: Brentz

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    Even if they get both I dont see this as improvement over last year....

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    I never said it was, but it's a big step from where we are now, and pretty close to last year.

     

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    Last year didnt have this version of the Yankees. They will leave the Sox in their rearview mirror by June.

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    1.  Too early to worry about the Yankees.  By the way, a new fun party game will be "Name a Yankee starting pitcher"

     

    2.  Nice to see you survived those tornadoes a couple weeks back.

     
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    Re: Salty signs with Miami Marlins

    It will be very interesting to see how the move at catcher works out. I had no idea that Salty was available "for a song" as they say, but this is a characteristic short term small move by BC that could serve nicely to give the kids at the backstop position time to mature.

    And the difference in strikeouts is profound. These are very different hitters.

     

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