SAME OLD FRANCONA, SAME LOSSES

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    Once again we have a manager who just doesn't learn and cannot win close games because of poor decisions. Why leave B A Jenks(now referred to as B A Junkpile) in until the game is lost. This manager does the same thing over and over and doesn't have a clue on how to handle a pitching staff. If the game isn't a blowout the sox are in trouble once he has to make a decision. IT'S TIME FOR THIS LOVE AFFAIR WITH TERRY FRANCONA TO END. He isn't a good manager and never will be. Once the game starts he is like deer in headlights! Fire him Theo.

     
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    Bobby Jenks job is to turn it over to Bard or Papelbon. He is paid closer money to fill that role. You leave him in there until he fails or turns it over. You only have 7 guys in the bullpen how many should you use in one game?
     
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    You do that if you want to lose the game, correct? Part of the job as a manager is to recognize when a pitcher is melting down(which has been the case most of his outings) so you leave him in? You are as crazy as francoma. That game was give away, like several others with francona's horrible managing.


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    [QUOTE]Bobby Jenks job is to turn it over to Bard or Papelbon. He is paid closer money to fill that role. You leave him in there until he fails or turns it over. You only have 7 guys in the bullpen how many should you use in one game?
    Posted by BosoxJoe5[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]You do that if you want to lose the game, correct? Part of the job as a manager is to recognize when a pitcher is melting down(which has been the case most of his outings) so you leave him in? You are as crazy as francoma. That game was give away, like several others with francona's horrible managing. In Response to Re: SAME OLD FRANCONA, SAME LOSSES :
    Posted by REDSOX-11[/QUOTE]
    He is not Matt Abers or Okajima. His job is to get one innings worth of outs. He just had a big k before that hit. So should someone being warming up each inning to be ready if the pitcher gives up two hits? Do you replace Papelbon if he gives up a hit or two? Do you plain on your highly paid players to fail each time out? Or do you give your guys the ability to make plays or not? Remember you have 7 guys who can't pitch everyday, you use 3 relievers every game, and some people have very defined rolls. You need to let people pitch.
     
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    With the way he has pitched, yes you do. that game should have been a win not a loss. Too many games get away from this team with the way it is being run. My point is francona's time has come and gone and he needs to be gone. There isn't any excuses to be losing games like this.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: SAME OLD FRANCONA, SAME LOSSES : He is not Matt Abers or Okajima. His job is to get one innings worth of outs. He just had a big k before that hit. So should someone being warming up each inning to be ready if the pitcher gives up two hits? Do you replace Papelbon if he gives up a hit or two? Do you plain on your highly paid players to fail each time out? Or do you give your guys the ability to make plays or not? Remember you have 7 guys who can't pitch everyday, you use 3 relievers every game, and some people have very defined rolls. You need to let people pitch.
    Posted by BosoxJoe5[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]With the way he has pitched, yes you do. that game should have been a win not a loss. Too many games get away from this team with the way it is being run. My point is francona's time has come and gone and he needs to be gone. There isn't any excuses to be losing games like this. In Response to Re: SAME OLD FRANCONA, SAME LOSSES :
    Posted by REDSOX-11[/QUOTE]
    So every time a 1 run save is blown is Francona at fault?
     
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    How about a little small ball?  The Sox don't seem to have problems getting runners into scoring position...it's bringing them home that is the problem.  To often is there a runner on third base with one or no outs.  For a team that's strugging to score runs, the solution should seem obvious...throw down a damn bunt and get that runner home!  

    So what if it's Youkilis at the plate?  The guy's struggling.  Get the sure (or what should be sure) thing!  Once the lineup his hitting the way they should be, then swing away.  

    The team is squandering far too many opportunities.
     
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    I know Mike Cameron had two home runs against a lefty but in the 9th against a right handerpitcher (awful against right handers) he should have been pinched hit for against the right hander. You had Crawford and Drew on the bench. 
     
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    Francona has got to manage and not be a buddy to these guys. He lets them hit away so much that I am amazed, playing for a big inning that does not come. He has to play small ball and put the egos and personalities aside which he does not do. That is what is infuriating to watch him manage especially a close 1 run game. They threw away so many opportunities early in that game wjere they could have bunted runners over and did not. It definitely came back to haunt them later in that game.
     
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    [QUOTE]I know Mike Cameron had two home runs against a lefty but in the 9th against a right handerpitcher (awful against right handers) he should have been pinched hit for against the right hander. You had Crawford and Drew on the bench. 
    Posted by AL34[/QUOTE]
    And if Drew pinch-hit and struck out, you would have been on here ripping Francona for pinch-hitting for a hot batter who hit two home runs. 20/20 hindsight -- what a special gift.

     
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    Jenks was the wrong guy to get, in the first place. They should have made an early peremptory strike on Putz. As it is, Jenks has struggled in his last few outing. Thus, he should have had a shorter leash. That was the ball game, right there. Once Jenks had the Mariner table set, you don't allow him to finish it because he'd been poor in recent outings and that was the tipping point in the game. Go to Bard to try and put out the fire and worrry about whether the lower pen guys getting it to Papelbon, later. Bard had a shaky appearance, but not the several in a row like Jenks. Trust has to be regained with results, and there has to be a shorter leash on trust when a guy is imploding several apperances in a row. The Mariner hitters new this guy and they were just sticking the bat out and driving the ball to LF with ease. Jenks was not changing speeds or moving inside half enough for whatever reason.

    Wakefield sits over there like an albatross! Who cares if I said he has no business on the active roster, management itself is showing he's a waste of a roster spot because they won't use the fat guy. That makes the team a pen arm short in situations where you might need to pull a Jenks with a shorter leash, or you get more innings that need quality pen coverage. Aceves should never have been sent down (I only care what he was doing in MLB), but they need to get rid of Wakefield (who cares if he's the 9th starter waiting like a fat vulture on a limb) and bet another marginal pen arm that can throw strikes and not bounce the ball to the backstop.

    People really believe it doesn't matter if Wakefield takes a pen spot. You have to be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
     
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    Yesterdays was correct. Same thing he does just about every game.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: SAME OLD FRANCONA, SAME LOSSES : So every time a 1 run save is blown is Francona at fault?
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    We agree this has been going on too long.

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    [QUOTE]Francona has got to manage and not be a buddy to these guys. He lets them hit away so much that I am amazed, playing for a big inning that does not come. He has to play small ball and put the egos and personalities aside which he does not do. That is what is infuriating to watch him manage especially a close 1 run game. They threw away so many opportunities early in that game wjere they could have bunted runners over and did not. It definitely came back to haunt them later in that game.
    Posted by AL34[/QUOTE]
     
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    He doesn't think outside his little box. This is why the sox are doing so poorly

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    [QUOTE]Jenks was the wrong guy to get, in the first place. They should have made an early peremptory strike on Putz. As it is, Jenks has struggled in his last few outing. Thus, he should have had a shorter leash. That was the ball game, right there. Once Jenks had the Mariner table set, you don't allow him to finish it because he'd been poor in recent outings and that was the tipping point in the game. Go to Bard to try and put out the fire and worrry about whether the lower pen guys getting it to Papelbon, later. Bard had a shaky appearance, but not the several in a row like Jenks. Trust has to be regained with results, and there has to be a shorter leash on trust when a guy is imploding several apperances in a row. The Mariner hitters new this guy and they were just sticking the bat out and driving the ball to LF with ease. Jenks was not changing speeds or moving inside half enough for whatever reason. Wakefield sits over there like an albatross! Who cares if I said he has no business on the active roster, management itself is showing he's a waste of a roster spot because they won't use the fat guy. That makes the team a pen arm short in situations where you might need to pull a Jenks with a shorter leash, or you get more innings that need quality pen coverage. Aceves should never have been sent down (I only care what he was doing in MLB), but they need to get rid of Wakefield (who cares if he's the 9th starter waiting like a fat vulture on a limb) and bet another marginal pen arm that can throw strikes and not bounce the ball to the backstop. People really believe it doesn't matter if Wakefield takes a pen spot. You have to be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
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    It's well documented that this team can't bunt either... Obviously not a managerial problem !!
     
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    they can't bunt because they obviously do not USE ST to learn or perfect the art. It IS Tito's fault as is the rotten start to this season.

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    [QUOTE]It's well documented that this team can't bunt either... Obviously not a managerial problem !!
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    fhfhfs
     
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    [QUOTE]Once again we have a manager who just doesn't learn and cannot win close games because of poor decisions. Why leave B A Jenks(now referred to as B A Junkpile) in until the game is lost. This manager does the same thing over and over and doesn't have a clue on how to handle a pitching staff. If the game isn't a blowout the sox are in trouble once he has to make a decision. IT'S TIME FOR THIS LOVE AFFAIR WITH TERRY FRANCONA TO END. He isn't a good manager and never will be. Once the game starts he is like deer in headlights! Fire him Theo.
    Posted by REDSOX-11[/QUOTE]

    Uh, did we lose this one?

    No.
     
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    No but francona did his best to give it away like he's done on other occasions this year. Trust me there is more games he will blow because he is clueless about the pitching staff. Give it another game.


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    [QUOTE]In Response to SAME OLD FRANCONA, SAME LOSSES : Uh, did we lose this one? No.
    Posted by SinceYaz[/QUOTE]
     
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    Some people appear to be blinded by 04 and 07. This guy has never been a good manager and never will be. He bumbles along and appears lost during the game. Just stands their and spits out seeds. He looks confused the whole game. Then he has to make a decsions with the game on the line and the "clueless" sets in.

    I guess he cannot do anything wrong in their eyes as the sox contiue to play like a last place team with a first rate roster.

    He does need to be fired, before this season is wasted, and time is running out.   


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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: SAME OLD FRANCONA, SAME LOSSES : When exactly is Francona accountable?  His decison making put this game in jeopardy. HE got bailed out by a one in a million occurrence (Ichiro losing a fly bal in the sun),
    Posted by Encinitas[/QUOTE]
     
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