Shin-Soo Choo has deal with the Rangers -7 years !!

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    Shin-Soo Choo has deal with rangers. 7 years. details to come.

     
     
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    The Red Sox first-round pick moves up one notch as the Texas Rangers forfeit their first-round pick.

     
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    Jeff PassanVerified account@JeffPassan

    The Shin-Soo Choo deal is a straight seven-year, $130M deal with a limited no-trade clause and no opt-outs or options.

     
     
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    If the rumors about he and Boras turning down 7 years at $140 were true.......way to go Boras!!

    I will say though....Texas is putting together a VERY formidable offense..... they need pitching bad though.

     
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    Rangers have one powerful offense...

     
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    Good signing by the rangers. AL west should be fun to watch next year.

     
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    Shin-Soo Choo has deal with rangers. 7 years. details to come.

     

     



    The Rangers signed the best leadoff hitter in baseball.  Good move even at 7 years Mr. Henry enjoy watching him get OB even more than Jacoby.

     

     
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    Ellsbury is the best all around leadoff hitter in MLB. Choo is a close 2nd.

    Much more speed, much better splits. lower OBP, but plenty enough for a leadoff guy. He disrupts pitchers much more than Choo does. That, to me anyway, makes him the better LO hitter.

     
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    It's looking more and more like JBJ is going to be he CF on opening day.  Choo was the last FA whom I thought might be signable to play the position.  And no, I'm not saying the Sox should have signed him for that contract.

    This does leave Boras in a bad light.  He either lied about the $140 offer from the Yankees or he failed to get the most money he could for his client by demanding $153M.  Essentially turning down the $140 from the Y's cost Choo $10M. 

    While I'm sure Choo will live quite nicely on $130M, $10M is a pretty fair chunk of change for your agent to have cost you. 

     
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    Ellsbury is the best all around leadoff hitter in MLB. Choo is a close 2nd.

    Much more speed, much better splits. lower OBP, but plenty enough for a leadoff guy. He disrupts pitchers much more than Choo does. That, to me anyway, makes him the better LO hitter.

     



    Ells is not better than Choo southpaw period.  Defensively yes, offensively not a chance stats don't lie.  Choo's OBP is 40 points higher, he has above normal speed, power is more durable and can bunt.

     

     
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    It's looking more and more like JBJ is going to be he CF on opening day.  Choo was the last FA whom I thought might be signable to play the position.  And no, I'm not saying the Sox should have signed him for that contract.

    This does leave Boras in a bad light.  He either lied about the $140 offer from the Yankees or he failed to get the most money he could for his client by demanding $153M.  Essentially turning down the $140 from the Y's cost Choo $10M. 

    While I'm sure Choo will live quite nicely on $130M, $10M is a pretty fair chunk of change for your agent to have cost you. 

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    If you know Boras it was all a tactic to get another team to pay up.  There probably was never an offer by the Yankees.

     
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    The Red Sox first-round pick moves up one notch as the Texas Rangers forfeit their first-round pick.



    Just what we need another draft pick one step ahead of our competition :)  Either way draft picks take 4 to 6 years to mature (if they pan out at all) so who really cares at this point when we need a leadoff batter and better OF offense.

     
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    Ellsbury is the best all around leadoff hitter in MLB. Choo is a close 2nd.

    Much more speed, much better splits. lower OBP, but plenty enough for a leadoff guy. He disrupts pitchers much more than Choo does. That, to me anyway, makes him the better LO hitter.

     



    Ells is not better than Choo period.  Defensively yes, offensively not a chance southpaw stats don't lie.  Choo's OBP is 40 points higher, he has above normal speed and power.  Oh I almost forgot Choo knows how to bunt as well.

     

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    we disagree then. Im looking at much more than just OBP, which is the only thing Choo is better at. The way Ells dispruts pitchers is rare and can change the way a pitcher works. Choo simply doesnt do that. Ells knows how to bunt, but its just not part of the Sox' approach is all. Choo has a sub 700OPS vs LHP and Ells has much better splits.

    We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

     
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    Ellsbury is the best all around leadoff hitter in MLB. Choo is a close 2nd.

    Much more speed, much better splits. lower OBP, but plenty enough for a leadoff guy. He disrupts pitchers much more than Choo does. That, to me anyway, makes him the better LO hitter.

     



    Ells is not better than Choo period.  Defensively yes, offensively not a chance southpaw stats don't lie.  Choo's OBP is 40 points higher, he has above normal speed and power.  Oh I almost forgot Choo knows how to bunt as well.

     




    we disagree then. Im looking at much more than just OBP, which is the only thing Choo is better at. The way Ells dispruts pitchers is rare and can change the way a pitcher works. Choo simply doesnt do that. Ells knows how to bunt, but its just not part of the Sox' approach is all. Choo has a sub 700OPS vs LHP and Ells has much better splits.

    We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

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    Choo doesn't have to use his speed, thats all Ells has to rely on.  He gets OB a heck of a lot more, can bunt and pops 20 HRS.  Without speed Ells has very little natural talent.  Ells will have career years playing with the short porch but probably won't be in the lineup enough to make a difference.

     
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    Ellsbury is the best all around leadoff hitter in MLB. Choo is a close 2nd.

    Much more speed, much better splits. lower OBP, but plenty enough for a leadoff guy. He disrupts pitchers much more than Choo does. That, to me anyway, makes him the better LO hitter.

     



    Ells is not better than Choo period.  Defensively yes, offensively not a chance southpaw stats don't lie.  Choo's OBP is 40 points higher, he has above normal speed and power.  Oh I almost forgot Choo knows how to bunt as well.

     

     

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    we disagree then. Im looking at much more than just OBP, which is the only thing Choo is better at. The way Ells dispruts pitchers is rare and can change the way a pitcher works. Choo simply doesnt do that. Ells knows how to bunt, but its just not part of the Sox' approach is all. Choo has a sub 700OPS vs LHP and Ells has much better splits.

     

    We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

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    Choo doesn't have to use his speed, thats all Ells has to rely on.  He gets OB a heck of a lot more, can bunt and pops 20 HRS.  Without speed Ells has very little natural talent.  Ells will have career years playing with the short porch but probably won't be in the lineup enough to make a difference.

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    Always enjoy your POV buddy, and you make valid points. Personally, Im just partial to Ellsbury's skill set and game for a LO hitter. I think Choo is a better 2 or 3 guy. Both are without a doubt great talents and are top of the order bats.

     
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    Pete Abraham ‏@PeteAbe 39m

    Now that Choo is done, Stephen Drew up next for Boras. #RedSox waiting to see what transpires.

     
     
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    I agree somewhat with both of you.  However as a leadoff man, I think the importance of getting on base has to be the #1 desire.  I don't think the HR thing is very important because most teams want people on base for their big guns to drive in.  Choo will thrive in Texas because of their lineup and Ells will thrive in NY also because of their lineup.  If I have to pick one over the other, I'll go with Ells for overall offense/defense.  That said neither one is worth the contract they got...but money talks.

     
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    I agree somewhat with both of you.  However as a leadoff man, I think the importance of getting on base has to be the #1 desire.  I don't think the HR thing is very important because most teams want people on base for their big guns to drive in.  Choo will thrive in Texas because of their lineup and Ells will thrive in NY also because of their lineup.  If I have to pick one over the other, I'll go with Ells for overall offense/defense.  That said neither one is worth the contract they got...but money talks.

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    Hitting HRs from the 1 slot is nice, especially for those late game situations where a bottom of the order guy gets on with 2 outs and you need a two-run blast to tie it. Hoping for 2-3 hits from your 1-2-3 hitters is harder than just one crank.

    I do think OBP is way more important than speed from the one slot, and Ellsbury is a much better fielder than Choo, but looking at just who I would prefer to lead off, I'll take Choo.

     
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    Ellsbury is the best all around leadoff hitter in MLB. Choo is a close 2nd.

    Much more speed, much better splits. lower OBP, but plenty enough for a leadoff guy. He disrupts pitchers much more than Choo does. That, to me anyway, makes him the better LO hitter.

     



    Ells is not better than Choo period.  Defensively yes, offensively not a chance southpaw stats don't lie.  Choo's OBP is 40 points higher, he has above normal speed and power.  Oh I almost forgot Choo knows how to bunt as well.

     

     




    we disagree then. Im looking at much more than just OBP, which is the only thing Choo is better at. The way Ells dispruts pitchers is rare and can change the way a pitcher works. Choo simply doesnt do that. Ells knows how to bunt, but its just not part of the Sox' approach is all. Choo has a sub 700OPS vs LHP and Ells has much better splits.

     

    We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

     



    southpaw,

    It's almost certain now we are content on penny pinching, unless of course next years trial doesn't work out as planned.  We may add another platoon CF type but other than that I don't see much more so lets just sit back and hope for the best.

    For me anyway, I want to see what the kids can do but still dissapointed to see us riding the health of David's bat again, or giving any real thought to the lost depth that won us the championship.

     

     
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    I agree somewhat with both of you.  However as a leadoff man, I think the importance of getting on base has to be the #1 desire.  I don't think the HR thing is very important because most teams want people on base for their big guns to drive in.  Choo will thrive in Texas because of their lineup and Ells will thrive in NY also because of their lineup.  If I have to pick one over the other, I'll go with Ells for overall offense/defense.  That said neither one is worth the contract they got...but money talks.

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    Hitting HRs from the 1 slot is nice, especially for those late game situations where a bottom of the order guy gets on with 2 outs and you need a two-run blast to tie it. Hoping for 2-3 hits from your 1-2-3 hitters is harder than just one crank.

    I do think OBP is way more important than speed from the one slot, and Ellsbury is a much better fielder than Choo, but looking at just who I would prefer to lead off, I'll take Choo.

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    I agree moon, neither was worth that kind of money but Choo's OB percentage, good pop, above average speed, durability and ability to lay down (not just fake a bunt) is much more important in the leadoff spot than blinding speed and a little more D.

     
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    I agree somewhat with both of you.  However as a leadoff man, I think the importance of getting on base has to be the #1 desire.  I don't think the HR thing is very important because most teams want people on base for their big guns to drive in.  Choo will thrive in Texas because of their lineup and Ells will thrive in NY also because of their lineup.  If I have to pick one over the other, I'll go with Ells for overall offense/defense.  That said neither one is worth the contract they got...but money talks.

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    Hitting HRs from the 1 slot is nice, especially for those late game situations where a bottom of the order guy gets on with 2 outs and you need a two-run blast to tie it. Hoping for 2-3 hits from your 1-2-3 hitters is harder than just one crank.

    I do think OBP is way more important than speed from the one slot, and Ellsbury is a much better fielder than Choo, but looking at just who I would prefer to lead off, I'll take Choo.

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    My real issue with Choo is that vs a LH pitcher, you have .215 hitter (last year) with no HR power whatsoever.  At least with Ells you still have a hitter vs LH pitching.  I wouldn't cry about being stuck with either one though.

     
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    One Boras client down and one to go!

     
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    I hope the Rangers are not biting more than they can "Choo".    Laughing

     
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    Neither Ellsbury nor Choo are going to be worth what they are going to get per year for the next seven years.  I, for one, am glad that the Red Sox did not get involved with either guy.

    Bradley will not have as much stolen bases as Ellsury or as much power as Choo, but he will be a fine centerfielder for many years.  He is better defensively than both of these guys already and will catch up offensively sooner than most seem to think.

     
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    I hope the Rangers are not biting more than they can "Choo".    Laughing

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    ha ha good one ice

     

     

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