Re: should PEDRO have gone in by HIMSELF?
posted at 2/10/2014 3:38 PM EST
In response to Kingface12's comment:
In response to steven11's comment:
In response to Soxdog67's comment:
Contrary to what some have said here, if I was building a team and had to choose between Roger and Pedro...at their peaks...I would prefer Pedro everyday and twice on Sunday.
In my opinion, Roger burn't bridges leaving Boston and even after he was gone...plus he began 'roid use to return to Cy level at the end and after leaving Boston. Those who don't believe he used are kidding themselves.
To use the Zimmer incident andPedro shutting himself down at the end of one season as negatives is shortsighted, all he did was push aside the fool for charging him, Zimmer had no business being anywhere near Pedro in that situation
...let's not forget this was the same guy who pitched the one hitter in Cleveland in relief during the '99 playoffs, and many other great performances, along with teaming with Schilling to lead the Sox in '04 and create the greatest choke in baseball history.
I guess I am tainted against Clemens because of the way he handled his final years in Boston and lost respect for him when he started in Toronto winning a Cy or two...where was that pitcher during his final Boston contract?
What did Roger do in his final years in Boston which bothers you so much? Did he complain about his contract to the media like Pedro constantly did?
You need to realize that the red sox hall is merely a marketing tool by the sox. It is a boys club and nothing more than that. Roger played in a time when the Celtic's ruled, yet he still managed to get microphones pushed in front of him every night. If not for a bad decision by McNamara, Roger would have brought a ws to Boston. That 86 team is still very special.
Roger was never found guilty of using roids and when the talk of roids is directed at Papi, there are those who will say that MLB has messed up this whole thing. Dan D got in front of the cameras and said Clemens was on the decline of his career. At Pedro's age now, Clemens was still producing.
Pedro was a great pitcher but does not deserve special treatment in this matter.
Soooo.....what you're saying is that you hate Ortiz and Pedro but like Clemens......OK. I see that Ortiz and Pedro has something in common that Clemens doesn't. Now I know why you like Bill so much......
Kingface, with all due respect I think that is an incredibly unfair characterization of a fellow poster. I have not seen Steve make a single comment that could remotely be construed as racist.
As much as I admire what both Ortiz and Pedro did on the field..I am not a fan of Ortiz' of field antics and I have long though Pedro to be a hot head. Many..many people feel the same way. Does that make any of us racists?
I will say the same thing I've said many, many times. This is a discussion forum...not a fan page. For as long as I can remember Red Sox fans have differed in their opinions of players. I've not seen any reasons for opinions ( other than perhaps Bill"s) that are completely unreasonable.
I think calling someone a racist because they have a difference of opinion on a player or players does nothing to advance the discussion, especially when you literally know nothing about the person you are accusing.
As far as the OP? Do I think Pedro should have gone in alone? No, I don't because that doesn't seem to be the way it works anyhow. I don't have a problem with Pedro in the RS HOF and I equally don't have a problem with Clemens in the RSHOF. Everyone loved them both when they were in a Sox uniform.