Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

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    Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

    Beckett and Lester are pitchers we can count on. But beyond that we have question marks. Is Buchholz going to return to 2010 form from his back injury? Is Miller going to continue to pitch successfully for the rest of the season? Wakefield can't be counted on as a top of the rotation pitcher. Lackey demonstrated this year that we can't count on him. I suggest that Theo go after a top of the rotation pitcher. Our offense, Beckett/Lester and the bullpen won't be enough to get us a third World Championship.
     
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    Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

    top of rotation =#1 or #2

    Just thought I would help with the definition
     
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    Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

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    [QUOTE]Beckett and Lester are pitchers we can count on. But beyond that we have question marks. Is Buchholz going to return to 2010 form from his back injury? Is Miller going to continue to pitch successfully for the rest of the season? Wakefield can't be counted on as a top of the rotation pitcher. Lackey demonstrated this year that we can't count on him. I suggest that Theo go after a top of the rotation pitcher. Our offense, Beckett/Lester and the bullpen won't be enough to get us a third World Championship.
    Posted by fir.eballer58[/QUOTE]

    Like there's a fire sale somewhere where they can pick up top of the rotation pitchers on the cheap. 
     
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      An arm, and a good one at that, will always be welcome at this address. This is one area that plays to the organizations strengths. Their track record is pretty good on who to keep Bucholtz, Bard, Lester, and who to let go Masterson. It's evaluating other teams pitching 'Lackey' which could pose a problem. I don't think they have the talent in the minors to pull off a deal of great magnitude, but here is hopeing they can.
     
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    [QUOTE]Beckett and Lester are pitchers we can count on. But beyond that we have question marks. Is Buchholz going to return to 2010 form from his back injury? Is Miller going to continue to pitch successfully for the rest of the season? Wakefield can't be counted on as a top of the rotation pitcher. Lackey demonstrated this year that we can't count on him. I suggest that Theo go after a top of the rotation pitcher. Our offense, Beckett/Lester and the bullpen won't be enough to get us a third World Championship.
    Posted by fir.eballer58[/QUOTE]

    And in spite of these "question marks," which always exist in one form or another, the Red Sox top of the rotation is looking better than it has in a while.  Buch does need to stay healthy, but if they get into the playoffs (which they are likely to do), I like their chances.   

    By the way, there's only room for two or three pitchers at "top of the rotation" anyway.  Otherwise, a "top" of the rotation wouldn't exist. 
     
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    Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

    How about a RF that bats righty with some pop--- maybe they can get Willy Mo Pena back-- just kidding, but he is tearing it up right now. 
     
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    #2 starter would do, and a solid RH OF bat. Any suggestions as to who? Who, that is, that we can afford?
     
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    Barring injury, their rotation will be okay even without Lackey and Dice-K.  There wouldn't be much depth, but they can definitely get by with what they have.
     
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    [QUOTE]Barring injury, their rotation will be okay even without Lackey and Dice-K.  There wouldn't be much depth, but they can definitely get by with what they have.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]

    Agreed. But NO MORE INJURIES! We're at rock bottom. What you might do is go after somebody like Heath Bell or K-Rod, that way you'd add a little safety net in Aceves for your rotation if you did happen to have an injury.
     
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    Theo should do something about Lackey. 

    Why not send Lackey to Japan for Chan Ho Park? 
    Chan Ho Park's ERA is around 3.85 in Japan. 
    If Lackey goes to Japan, he can start building up his confidence. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The team needs a RH OF young slugger, more than another pitcher.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]
     You can never have enough good pitching---consider the Giants, your World Series champs last year. How do you suppose we got Beckett and Lowell from the Marlins? And Halladay, Oswalt, and Lee didn't come up through the Phillies farm system. Highly touted prospects are just that---some make it and others don't. If you can pick up a Cy Young Winner like the Yankees did with Sabathia you do the deal. Lackey was always an expensive long shot that looks like a disaster at the moment and may soon have to be bumped out of the starting 5 if his string of bad outings continues----regardless of the $ tied up in him! If Seattle tanks I'd go after Hernandez with a whole bag of prospects.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher? :  You can never have enough good pitching---consider the Giants, your World Series champs last year. How do you suppose we got Beckett and Lowell from the Marlins? And Halladay, Oswalt, and Lee didn't come up through the Phillies farm system. Highly touted prospects are just that---some make it and others don't. If you can pick up a Cy Young Winner like the Yankees did with Sabathia you do the deal. Lackey was always an expensive long shot that looks like a disaster at the moment and may soon have to be bumped out of the starting 5 if his string of bad outings continues----regardless of the $ tied up in him! If Seattle tanks I'd go after Hernandez with a whole bag of prospects.
    Posted by trouts[/QUOTE]
    The depleted Red Sox farm system probably lacks the "whole bag of prospects" needed to land a top-tier starter (especially Felix Hernandez).
     
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    Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

     i'd take a RF before a starting pitcher...i can't stand mccdonld already...and i can't wait for crawford to get back...
     
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    Lackey is not panning out at the moment, though it is doubtful he gets moved or demoted.  Fake injury? Sure.  Maybe one or two more this year, but that is about it.

    The good news is that Miller and Wakefield have actually not been bad.   Granted, neither is going to be in the Cy Young running.

    The Sox will absolutely NOT get a "top of the rotaion" starter, largely because they lack the prospects to grab one right now.  I do expect a right-handed platoon-quality OF to be added.  Jeff Francouer or Conor Jackson, or possibly a little less such as Jason Repko. As for pitching, if they do make a move for  a SP. don't expect a miracle.  
     
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    please explain what you mean by "highly touted prospects." A list of these awesome farm players would be highly interesting reading....
     
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    [QUOTE]Lackey is not panning out at the moment, though it is doubtful he gets moved or demoted.  Fake injury? Sure.  Maybe one or two more this year, but that is about it. The good news is that Miller and Wakefield have actually not been bad.   Granted, neither is going to be in the Cy Young running. The Sox will absolutely NOT get a "top of the rotaion" starter, largely because they lack the prospects to grab one right now.  I do expect a right-handed platoon-quality OF to be added.  Jeff Francouer or Conor Jackson, or possibly a little less such as Jason Repko. As for pitching, if they do make a move for  a SP. don't expect a miracle.  
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    And thats the good part..They dont have to be..If your 4&5's get QS's 6-7innings and 4 or under runs, Im OK with that..We have Doubront, Wieland,and a couple others that can spot start if needed..If Buchs back remains an issue, then something more might need to be done..personally, I think theyre gonna get a RH OF bat..Theres not enough prospects that have real value to trade for a big name pitcher (Hernandez)..maybe by next year guys like Middlebrooks, Vitek, Brentz, Ranaudo, Britton, kalish will have more trade value for a big trade.
     
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    Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

    Maybe the Sox should offer Lackey to the Cuibs for Alfonso Soriano and get their RHH outfielder.   After 2010, Lackey is signed for 3 more years at $45.75 mill.  Soriano is signed at 3 years $54mill, and is 3 years older and rapidly getting slower.  So the Cubs might need to kick in a little.

    He is alsoa nightmare defensively and has managed to become the flaw in UZR.

    But hey, fans would get 2 wishes - RHH slugging OF and Lackey's exit...
     
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    LOL....highly touted prospects....of which the red flops have none.
     
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    What top of the line pitchers are out there? That are moveable?
     
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    [QUOTE]Maybe the Sox should offer Lackey to the Cuibs for Alfonso Soriano and get their RHH outfielder.   After 2010, Lackey is signed for 3 more years at $45.75 mill.  Soriano is signed at 3 years $54mill, and is 3 years older and rapidly getting slower.  So the Cubs might need to kick in a little. He is alsoa nightmare defensively and has managed to become the flaw in UZR. But hey, fans would get 2 wishes - RHH slugging OF and Lackey's exit...
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]
    That may be a realistic return for John Lackey.

    Alfonso Soriano was a 3.0 WAR* player in 2010 and has been valued at 0.8 WAR so far this season:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=847&position=2B/OF

    Lackey was valued at 4.0 WAR in 2010 and has been valued at 0.3 WAR so far this season:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1507&position=P

    * Wins Above Replacement as reported at FanGraphs
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher? : That may be a realistic return for John Lackey. Alfonso Soriano was a 3.0 WAR* player in 2010 and has been valued at 0.8 WAR so far this season: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=847&position=2B/OF Lackey was valued at 4.0 WAR in 2010 and has been valued at 0.3 WAR so far this season: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1507&position=P * Wins Above Replacement as reported at FanGraphs

    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    And that shows you how meaningless WAR is.........

     
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    Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

    Its not that I don't like to speculate on possible roster improvements, but, in this whole thread, there is not one specific, realistic example of who this top-ro starter or yound RF would be.  It would be easier to name an RF of course.  I am not sure who this top-ro starter is that is going to be available between now and the end of the month.

    Personally, though, sure in a fantasy way, it would be great to have another stellar arm, I like the Sox' chances going forward with Beckett/Lester/Buchholz/Miller/anybody-not-named-lackey.  I am not sure it is worth giving up any of the blue chips for a guy who isn't a King Felix ace type.

    As for RF?  Dunno.  Value is a must here.  McDonald/Drew is looking particularly bad.  But this is magnified by Crawford being out.  
     
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    Re: Should Theo make a major move giving up highly touted prospects for a front of the rotation starting pitcher?

    Theo should be on the lookout for a a reasonably priced #4 or #5 and not gut the farm system. Where would the Yanks be w/o Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon? Cashman got these 2 on-the-cheap. Conversely, the Sox signed Lackey, Jinx and Wheeler. Game, set, match to the Yanks. Nobody wants Lackey w/his ridiculous salary, attitude and ERA approaching 8.00.
     

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