Re: Strong Up The Middle
posted at 1/5/2014 6:40 AM EST
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To be a solid winner, an old axiom in baseball is, that you must be strong up the middle, the 2014 Soz will be changing their starting C, SS and CF. I believe I once read , no team has ever won a WS with all new players at those positions in the same year. Not signing Drew, means we are challenging that convention.
Nobody ever came back from 3 games down before in the playoffs... how did that work out?
In CF we have a gold glove caliber defender. Both AJP and Ross are superior defenders to Salty. The only position that we lose out a bit of defense with is short, but his offense is at least as good with the upside of league best.
I like our chances
So we have better offense at SS? Big whoop.
It is a big whoop, whenever a team can get above average production from a middle infielder or a catcher it's a competitive advantage. Bogaerts projects to be a middle of the order bat. Which is why I've said all winter that the Yanks signing of McCan is a greater upgrade for them then either Beltran or Ellsbury. Here's the deal while Bogaerts is unlikely to ever be a gold glove SS, that doesn't mean he'll be a liability. If the the Red Sox felt that Bogaerts did not have the tools to play SS, given his upside potential as a hitter. They'd have moved him to 3rd or the outfiled in A Ball. So if they open the season with him there, we have to trust that Cherinton and Farrel both believe that he's ready and able.
If we turn back the clock, this debate reminds me of 2005 when we had another can't miss SS in our system, who's bio then was very similar to Bogaerts now. His name is Hanley Ramirez who's evolved into a respectable defensive SS after years of speculation that he would be moved to 3B or the OF. I'm not implying that Hanley is a gold glover by any means, but he doesn't hurt his team and the sum of his parts makes him an above average player at his position.
That said, if they sign Drew, then it's clear that both don't see Bogaerts as having the ability to be an everyday big league SS. If that happens, they'll move him to third to be the everyday third baseman, leaving Middlebrooks the odd man out. A senerio that will play itself out in the next month.
It's not a competitive advantage when his talents are more geared towards his offensive abilities as opposed to his defensive abilities at SS. As I've said, I value defense over offense at that position. And as for Cherrington and Farrell believing or not believing he's able, management may just not want to sign a contract for Drew. They're dealing with the players they have. You have to know that plays into their confidence.
Hanley Ramirez is more of a liability for any team. And it has nothing to do with his talents, which, apparently, are exceptional. It does say something when you use the word "evolved", however. You couldn't be talking about this season then.
As for Middlebrooks, it wouldn't hurt to have Bogaerts given more time in AAA -- unless something happens, which is entirely possible.
IMO they had the best SS, and possibly, over miniscule money issues, they will lose him. And it makes no sense to me.
Kim we can agree to disagree on what constitutes a competitive advantage. i respect your opinion, we just differ on the value of the difference between a gold glove SS that strikes out 135 times and hits .250 vs one that makes the routine play, look routine and is among the leaders at his position with the bat. Playing for the major league minimum, freeing up resources that can be used to address other needs. Which is what young Bogaerts projects to be..Nomar Garciaparra comes to mind so too does Derek Jeter. Please don't misinterpret my supporting them going with young Bogaerts, as I don't value defense at SS and would play him there even if he had hands of stone, cleary that's not the case. I trust that Cherington and Farrel (I think they've earned that), will do what they think is in the best interest of the team And if they see Bogaerts defense as a fatal flaw to our chances to field a championship team. there's no way they'd do that and the kid would already have been moved...
Regarding Drew and his status with the Red Sox. Money and length of contract are certainly part of the why they haven't resigned him. It's also why he hasn't resigned with them... Bogaerts being ready to take the next step in his development is another. When you add to that the value of the draft pick they'll recieve if Drew signs elsewhere. As much as I too would like us to sign Drew (remeber they offered him a one year 14M qualifier that he and Scott Darth Vadar Boras chose to decline), because I too think the guy is a very good ball player and in the near term. It's easier to project the sum of the parts with Drew and Bogaerts on left side being greater than, one with Middlebrooks and Bogaerts. A conundrum that only the parties in control can effect change.
regarding Hanley, i get that the kid has had his share of issues....My use of the term evolved implies improvement, which is often overlooked by many on this board. With work young players can improve and many do, few arrive at the big league level polished defensive players, unless that the key tangible that helped to propel them through the system (Igelsias).
I recall after his rookie season many on this board we're skeptical of Ellsbury's ability to play centerfield, using his UZR ratings as evidence and pining for the return of Coco Crisp with work he's now considered among the best defensive centerfielders in the game.