Tazawa / Morales

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    You may see Doubie go if Jones becomes a reality in the Pirates trade in addition to Iggy or Kalish.

    That would free up some added spots on the 40. Would you anticipate perhaps Figgins and perhaps Padilla being resigned or perhaps Lowe? Figgins is an interesting guy and could really help this team with his versatility in that he can play infield and outfield in particular CF. So with Ciriaco and Figgins you have some multi-purpose players with speed.

     
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    You may see Doubie go if Jones becomes a reality in the Pirates trade in addition to Iggy or Kalish.

    That would free up some added spots on the 40. Would you anticipate perhaps Figgins and perhaps Padilla being resigned or perhaps Lowe? Figgins is an interesting guy and could really help this team with his versatility in that he can play infield and outfield in particular CF. So with Ciriaco and Figgins you have some multi-purpose players with speed.

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    That would leave a big hole in the rotation. Lowe and padilla are better suited for the bullpen at this stage in their careers IMO. Dont want Figgins. Heand Ciriaco are redundant like Gomes and Ross wouldve been.

    I dont think Jones would cost us Doubront. Jones is good, but not a top player so Im not sure Doubront will have to go. maybe Iggy.

     
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    Given that most teams have a 12-man pitching staff you'd think more UIFs would learn to play the outfield to make themselves more valuable (Aviles played OF in winter ball last winter, didn't he?).

    The Sox will presumably have 4 subs:  Ross, Ciriaco (IF?), Kalish (OF?) and a 4th.  Given that none of those 3 can hit - or even take a walk, in Ciriaco's case - I think they should go for a bat.

     
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    You may see Doubie go if Jones becomes a reality in the Pirates trade in addition to Iggy or Kalish.

    That would free up some added spots on the 40. Would you anticipate perhaps Figgins and perhaps Padilla being resigned or perhaps Lowe? Figgins is an interesting guy and could really help this team with his versatility in that he can play infield and outfield in particular CF. So with Ciriaco and Figgins you have some multi-purpose players with speed.

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    Padilla is the only one of the group that is certain to be offered a big league contract (based on 2012 performances). Figgins and Lowe if they're signed at all will likely get offered minor league deals with an invite to spring training...of the two Lowe is a guy that a team might take a flyer on...I don't see the Sox offering Lowe a big league garanteed deal, given the current depth of our pitching staff. But could see them taking the aforementioned route and giving him a shot to showcase himself in the spring...

     
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    tazawa has arguably the best stuff on the staff

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    Buchholz has better stuff than Tazawa

     
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    Now that the bullpen seems a little crowded with the addition of Hanrahan, could either Tazawa or Morales start the year at AAA to get stretched out as a starter? Both seem like they have the potential to be impact starting pitchers. It doesn't look like there will be any open spots in the rotation barring injury and after the Bard fiasco, would they try this again?

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    Ok, so if everyone is healthy, where does Morales start the season? Rotation, pen or Pawtucket?

     

     

    Red Sox manager John Farrell said Saturday that Franklin Morales will open spring training as a starter. Morales was used primarily as a reliever last season, but ended up finishing the year in the starting rotation. He posted a 3.77 ERA, 1.23 WHIP and 76/30 K/BB ratio in 76 1/3 innings before being shut down with a shoulder injury in September. John Lackey (elbow) is also expected to be available for the start of spring training. Dec 1 - 3:02 PM Source: Pete Abraham on Twitter[/QUOTE]


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    The pen I imagine, unless something happens to one of the 5 starters. It is possible he could have a scheduled start or 2 at the start of the season. It would appear he will be the #6 though.

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    Something always happens to one (or more) of our starters. I'd like to have Morales and Tazawa stretched out enough to be spot starters and long relief men. One may get a chance to start a lot.

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    My guess would be that if he's still here Aceves would be the spot starter/long guy

     
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    tazawa has arguably the best stuff on the staff

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    Agreed. I'm hoping they convert him back into a starter.  Four pitches, throws 94, pinpoint location.

    He's too talented to be a seventh inning guy.

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    Just because u can do it for one inning doesn't mean u can do that for 6-8 innings consistently

     
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    tazawa has arguably the best stuff on the staff

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    Agreed. I'm hoping they convert him back into a starter.  Four pitches, throws 94, pinpoint location.

    He's too talented to be a seventh inning guy.

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    Just because u can do it for one inning doesn't mean u can do that for 6-8 innings consistently

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    he is a starting pitcher and has been since we signed him.... we put him in the BP because he was coming off of TJS and wanted to bring him along slowly. but now its his time to strut his stuff. he will become a big part of our pitching staff this year. either as a shutdown reliever or a starter, in terms of raw ability he is the best guy on our staff. Buch, lester and bailey are better pitchers.. but no one on our staff has better "stuff" than Tazawa. Its not like Bards case where he went through the system as a reliever and tried converting to a starter. he already was a starter in our system and is looking to re-assume that role post-surgery.

     
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    [QUOTE]Buchholz has better stuff than Tazawa

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    Buchholz's 4.56 ERA sure show it.

     

    Tazawa place is with the team as a late inning reliever, eventually a closer if their other option flops.

     
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    [QUOTE]Buchholz has better stuff than Tazawa

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    Buchholz's 4.56 ERA sure show it.

     

    Tazawa place is with the team as a late inning reliever, eventually a closer if their other option flops.

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    I think his role with the team will be determined once the roster is set. Most likely he'll be used i be used s. multiple innings guy and come in to the game  in the 5th or 6th And be asked to get 5 or 6 outs

     
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    tazawa has arguably the best stuff on the staff

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    Agreed. I'm hoping they convert him back into a starter.  Four pitches, throws 94, pinpoint location.

    He's too talented to be a seventh inning guy.

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    Just because u can do it for one inning doesn't mean u can do that for 6-8 innings consistently

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    he is a starting pitcher and has been since we signed him.... we put him in the BP because he was coming off of TJS and wanted to bring him along slowly. but now its his time to strut his stuff. he will become a big part of our pitching staff this year. either as a shutdown reliever or a starter, in terms of raw ability he is the best guy on our staff. Buch, lester and bailey are better pitchers.. but no one on our staff has better "stuff" than Tazawa. Its not like Bards case where he went through the system as a reliever and tried converting to a starter. he already was a starter in our system and is looking to re-assume that role post-surgery.

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    since his TJS, I would compare Tazawa and Buch very close with their "stuff"...

     
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    [QUOTE]Buchholz has better stuff than Tazawa

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    Buchholz's 4.56 ERA sure show it.

     

    Tazawa place is with the team as a late inning reliever, eventually a closer if their other option flops.

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    Buchholz started out bad since he was shaking the rust off after his back injury in 2011 then had esophigitis(sp?) the high era was blown up early due to a couple bad games. he was a sub .300 era guy since June.

     
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    Now that the bullpen seems a little crowded with the addition of Hanrahan, could either Tazawa or Morales start the year at AAA to get stretched out as a starter? Both seem like they have the potential to be impact starting pitchers. It doesn't look like there will be any open spots in the rotation barring injury and after the Bard fiasco, would they try this again?

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    Ok, so if everyone is healthy, where does Morales start the season? Rotation, pen or Pawtucket?

     

     

    Red Sox manager John Farrell said Saturday that Franklin Morales will open spring training as a starter. Morales was used primarily as a reliever last season, but ended up finishing the year in the starting rotation. He posted a 3.77 ERA, 1.23 WHIP and 76/30 K/BB ratio in 76 1/3 innings before being shut down with a shoulder injury in September. John Lackey (elbow) is also expected to be available for the start of spring training. Dec 1 - 3:02 PM Source: Pete Abraham on Twitter[/QUOTE]


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    The pen I imagine, unless something happens to one of the 5 starters. It is possible he could have a scheduled start or 2 at the start of the season. It would appear he will be the #6 though.

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    Something always happens to one (or more) of our starters. I'd like to have Morales and Tazawa stretched out enough to be spot starters and long relief men. One may get a chance to start a lot.

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    Yup, thats what Im thinkin'...

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    Yup, that's what I was thinking .... both things.  Hehe.  A 6 man rotation had some play in thought last year when ...um.. that wasn't Farrell.  But we always lose at least one starter for a good (or bad) while.

     
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    stuff doesnt equate to E.R.A.  Buch has better and more pitches, if he happens not to execute them that is a different arguement

     
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    The chance of Tazawa throwing mid 90s as a starter is zero, not even Lester throws mid 90s anymore. His stuff play out in the bullpen, a located 95-96 fastball and a splitter that disappears into a vortex. Just leave this one alone. No Bard redux please.

     
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    Tazawa's value is def as a set up man and possible closer.

     
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    The chance of Tazawa throwing mid 90s as a starter is zero, not even Lester throws mid 90s anymore. His stuff play out in the bullpen, a located 95-96 fastball and a splitter that disappears into a vortex. Just leave this one alone. No Bard redux please.

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    its not a bard situation. he was a starter in the minor leagues until he got TJS then he was put into the BP. The last year he was a starter in the sox system was 2009 (2010 and most of 2011 was lost to TJS) in that season he pitched 109 innings with 94 strikeouts, a 2.55 ERA and a WHIP of 1.043 over AA and AAA

    Thats pretty damn good to me lol since returning from TJS he was brought along slowly pitching in the BP. since he is so stellar and had so many options he was back and forth to boston and pawtucket. in 2012 he pitched 44 innings with a 1.43 ERA, 0.955 WHIP and a 44:5 K/BB ratio. he has the talent to be a starter and should be working towards it like he was in 09. he is far enough out of TJS to really ramp his innings numbers up and get him 120-150 innings hopefully. after our initial starting 5 i would put Morales, Tazawa, RDLR, Aceves as our 6, 7, 8, 9 respectively..

     
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    The chance of Tazawa throwing mid 90s as a starter is zero, not even Lester throws mid 90s anymore. His stuff play out in the bullpen, a located 95-96 fastball and a splitter that disappears into a vortex. Just leave this one alone. No Bard redux please.

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    its not a bard situation. he was a starter in the minor leagues until he got TJS then he was put into the BP. The last year he was a starter in the sox system was 2009 (2010 and most of 2011 was lost to TJS) in that season he pitched 109 innings with 94 strikeouts, a 2.55 ERA and a WHIP of 1.043 over AA and AAA

    Thats pretty damn good to me lol since returning from TJS he was brought along slowly pitching in the BP. since he is so stellar and had so many options he was back and forth to boston and pawtucket. in 2012 he pitched 44 innings with a 1.43 ERA, 0.955 WHIP and a 44:5 K/BB ratio. he has the talent to be a starter and should be working towards it like he was in 09. he is far enough out of TJS to really ramp his innings numbers up and get him 120-150 innings hopefully. after our initial starting 5 i would put Morales, Tazawa, RDLR, Aceves as our 6, 7, 8, 9 respectively..

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    Well said.  Your #4 starter is more important than your set up man.  Tazawa is too good to be casted as a seventh inning guy.  He should be given a chance to start.

     
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    He (Tazawa) may crack the rotation out of training camp.  The dude is very , very good.

     

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