Re: Team gonna regret not trading Lester for Will Myers
posted at 6/13/2013 2:01 PM EDT
In response to ZILLAGOD's comment:
There is alot to be said on the subject of "giving up" on a guy when he is down, or sticking with him in hopes he turns it around.
Red Sox "gave up" on Frank Tanana in 1982, after a few down years in Texas, he rebounded nicely for the Tigers in the 80s. 7 out of 8 years with Detroit, Tanana had a winning record.
Red Sox "gave up" on starter Dennis Eckersley in 1984, he went on to a Hall Of Fame career as a closer for the Oakland A's.
Red Sox traded Bobby Ojeda to the Mets for Calvin Schiraldi. Ojeda won 18 games and a World Series ring with the 86 Mets.
Red Sox let John Tudor go in 1983 after a 13-12 year with a 4.09 ERA, he went on to win 20 games and be the ace of the Stl. Cardinals.
Put Tudor, Ojeda and Tanana in a rotation with Clemens and Hurst , add Eckersley to the bullpen and you wouldn't have had the stiffs like Oil Can Boyd, Bob Stanley and Al Nipper in 1986 and you would have had a better shot at a championship....but that's all hindsight, I guess.
I'm not going to say it's hindsight but your analysis of this is a bit unfair. Just because a player does well after being traded, it doesn't make it a bad trade. You have to look at who came in and other circumstances around the player.
First, Tanana was 4-10 with an ERA of 4.01 in 1981, his only year with the Sox. He was worse in 1981 with a 4.21 ERA (7-18 for a bad Texas team). You can't really blame the Sox for not keeping him. At that point, he was a pitcher who was losing his fastball and hadn't learned how to adjust. Yes, he started pitching better in 1983 because he finally learned how to pitch after losing his fastball, but he could have easily continued his slide.
Without the Tudor trade and Eckersley trades, the Sox might not have even made the postseason. Tudor brought Easler who was later spun into Baylor. Eckersley brought Buckner, who had a lousy W.S. hitting but batted .267 with 18 HRs and 102 RBIs and actually did play excellent first base defense..
Baylor hit 31 homers with 94 RBIs. So trading those two pitchers solidified the middle of the order and the Sox still had strong pitching in 1986. Without Baylor and Buckner, the Sox don't make the playoffs.
As for Tudor, the Sox had three lefties (Hurst, Tudor and Ojeda) plus prospects like Clemens and Boyd among some others. So they could afford to trade him. Just because he had some success after leaving, it doesn't mean it was a bad trade. Also, Tudor's one GREAT season was 1985 but had just two seasons after that in which he made at least 30 starts. So while he pitched well in other years, he as injury prone.
As for Ojeda, he was traded for bullpen help. Although we all know what happened in the postseason with Schraldi, he was a huge factor in the Sox getting to the postseason with his pitching after being called up.
And Boyd in 1986 was hardly a still. He was better than Ojeda in 1985, and if you asked anyone back then who they'd rather have after the 1985 season Boyd (15-13 with a 3.70 ERA) or Ojeda (9-11, 4.00 ERA), I would bet Boyd would been the answer by most.
And Stanley is also getting a bad rap. First, he was excellent in 1985 (2.87 ERA). And while he did struggle in 1986 with a 4.37 ERA, he did have 16 saves and was very good in the W.S. (0.00 ERA). I still put the "wild pitch" on Gedman for his pss-poor attempt at getting in front of a very blockable low sinker.